I've done this in high appreciating areas, paid out of pocket for two years, and then watched the place appreciate 100%, rents rose, and it cashflows.

This was and is the thrust of the arguement that each of us is looking through the "rose colored" glasses of our viewpoints for our chosen business direction.But in order to carry this on I believe that Eddie's attempt in starting this was not to relive the clash, but to try to find out how each investor "marries" the two or three different viewpoints to maximize the profits.So, I will ask each of you, when your main focus says that a property or deal does not work for your standards, do you even attempt to work the numbers using another method?