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Posted over 10 years ago

Deals I Have Funded

It may be useful for me to talk about some of the deals I have funded and how they developed. I have already discussed most of the financial details of the first deal I funded in the first two installments of this blog: Confessions of a Private Lender and Why Do I Lend?. I didn’t mention that it was I who initiated the transaction—I approached the borrower. The principals of the company (the borrower) gave a short presentation on what they were doing at a real estate meeting and I stayed to speak with them afterward. I liked what I heard. We had a few follow up conversations and I made my investment a couple months later. Their model was short sale flips. They made offers on several properties that were nearing foreclosure and negotiated with the banks to get their offers approved. At the same time they were looking for people they could sell the homes to if they could come to terms. This is a model that is currently out of favor—the rules have changed and I wouldn’t fund this type of transaction now. At the time, part of what was appealing was that the term of the loan was very short. The documents stated a 45 day loan period. I was actually paid back on the first loan in 32 days.

I would like to point out a few facets of this deal. I had never invested this way before. I approached the borrower after a presentation at a REIA meeting. I was there because I was open to investment possibilities and the speaker presented an opportunity. Join your local REIA and talk to the people there. Your next partner may be sitting next to you.

Take time to develop a relationship. It was a couple months before I actually committed the funds for this deal. It didn’t take much, just a couple phone calls, before I was comfortable but had this partner pressed for an immediate commitment I probably would have backed away. Remember, I approached the borrower. I was already interested and ready to take action. When someone comes to you your most important job is to not scare them away.

I funded 100% of this deal. The borrower had none of their own money in the deal and they were not required to make any payments until the final sale. I believed they were doing several deals simultaneously and were having success but I didn’t ask them to prove this. I did speak with several investors that had either done business with the principals or knew of their business before I moved to closing. I also spoke with a lawyer at a pre-paid legal service of which I am a member before investing. If you are interested in which one please contact me privately.

My next deal with this borrower was 14 days later. They returned $51,000 and borrowed $47,650. It was the same funds. They knew I had it and since they performed exactly as they said I was happy to lend it again. By far, your best sources of funds for your next deal are your current private lenders. Treat your lenders well and they will stay with you. They may even tell their friends about you and help you raise more than you could imagine. All told I have loaned funds to this group 10 times. All but a couple loans were paid back within 45 days. Three times I was paid back within 10 days. They have also done business with people that I referred to them.

At this point I would like to ask for your feedback on this series. I have shared most of what I intended to but I may be able to further explain certain aspects by discussing specific deals. As I look at my spreadsheet I see that I have funded 40 deals since 2010. There were only a dozen different borrowers so many of the deals were similar but many deals had different structures, even with the same borrower. I like to do deals that have different twists—it helps me learn more about contracts, markets, etc. It is interesting. It also helps me find new partners (I consider my borrowers to be partners). Most of the deals went exactly as planned but there were some major problems. (One court case has been dragging on for more than 2 years and the outcome is still uncertain.) I am willing to continue this series by talking about other deals I have funded.Is that something that would interest you? Are there other topics you would like me to address? If you have an opinion I’d appreciate hearing it.



Comments (16)

  1. ok thank you jeff


  2. If you had to pick a favorite, which do you like best and why? a) 3 day or less bridge loans b) Short-term < 1 year loans for flipping c) Longer-term 3-5 year loans


    1. @Roy. The rate is dependent upon all the terms of the deal plus what I am able to earn on competing investments. What I consider a good return is not really important. If you are planning on becoming a lender, what do you consider to be a good return? If you are a borrower, what do you consider an acceptable rate to pay?


    2. Dawn, I don't have to pick a favorite and actually like to have a variety of notes in my portfolio. Different deals work better for me at different times. I like to stagger the maturities of my notes so I am never too far from receiving a payoff. I don't do any formal marketing so I pick the deals that are the best fit for my portfolio from those that are in front of me when I have funds to lend. If I don't like any of the deals I don't fund any of them. In the current environment it is unusual for me to fund a deal that has a term greater than 6 months but if the deal were very profitable, had a low LTV and the securing property were in a neighborhood I knew well and I felt I would have no problem selling it if I had to take it back I would probably do a longer term deal. Most of the notes I have held that have terms over a year are notes that I purchased from a mortgage broker and that are serviced by a servicing company. I have little desire to service a long term note. There is one 3 year note in my portfolio which I do service. The borrower on this note is someone I have other business dealings with every month and expect to continue that for well past the term of the note. Bridge loans are usually quite profitable both to the borrower and I. I like to do these when they are presented (if I have funds available) but I must have complete faith in the borrower and/or I must see the documentation for both parts of the deal. I did one recently where the funds for the b-c transaction were already in the title company's account before I funded the a-b transaction. The borrower was a new partner and it was an international transaction (my first). I may not have done this deal if I didn't have confirmation of the funds available to close the deal from the title company before I funded. So, like most things in real estate, the answer to your question is: it depends.


    3. Hi Jeff, as an investor, what do you consider as a good rate of return? Say on a 6 month note around the $50k range.


  3. thanks jeff im always interested in what you have to say and learn I have been investing like you pretty much the same type deals , I plan on expanding even more look to your blog as guidance thank you


    1. Thanks Huss. I plan on attending the next meetup. I'll be happy to try to answer any questions you have if you are also attending. I may get there a bit later in the evening as I will be coming from an appointment but I'll probably stay most of the night.


  4. Sorry for the three posts. The Post Comment Button wouldn't take.


    1. Thank you Rob. As for your offer--if you wish to share something please do.


    2. Jeff; What you have shared is exactly the theme of my Blog. Every place that a "private money lender", a "peer to peer lender" and the REI, rehabber, a person needing a "bridge loan" or what have you, the site is bombarded with Hard Money Lenders, and everyone under the sun wanting to hijack you into an institutional loan and have you put your money in their company that can not keep your money working at the high interest rate they offer 100% of the year. These guys only deal with a very limited types of loans and have the public think that theirs is the best way ... it clearly isn't! Could I copy your post to my Blog? I will give you full credit for it and tell that it's from a Bigger Pockets contributor. I am new here to Bigger Pockets and am not clear on what I can say about the structure of the deal I am currently working. What I would post is not about a specific deal, only it's structure. Is that allowed here?


    3. @Rob: You state that you are new on BP but your profile shows that you have been here since 2009. The Linked In URL on your profile is not active. There is no background info for you on your blog. I do not know what it is you do. I have only been posting on BP for a few months. I am not a representative of BP, just a member. I have not studied their rules to see what is acceptable. I cannot stop you from reposting but would prefer you didn't. Send me an e-mail (my e-mail is in my profile) and convince me to change my mind. I don't have a webpage but when I post I link to my facebook page: www.facebook.com/damntherecession . I can be contacted from there also.


  5. Jeff; I really admire your understanding of different RE Deals. A lot of people just take their money to an institutional type and then "loan" your money. Which is really what you do with the 1-3 day "Bridge Loan" with a quick but small return. Go to my Blog and leave your info and I will tell you what I'm doing here in Florida that will have you Thanking the recession; cashincashoutrealestate.weebly.com


  6. Jeff; I really admire your understanding of different RE Deals. A lot of people just take their money to an institutional type and then "loan" your money. Which is really what you do with the 1-3 day "Bridge Loan" with a quick but small return. Go to my Blog and leave your info and I will tell you what I'm doing here in Florida that will have you Thanking the recession; cashincashoutrealestate.weebly.com


  7. I've really enjoyed this series. I have two questions: a) Would you mind sharing some of the not-so-pleasant outcomes? What do you think you would have done differently, or would you in hindsight not done the loan at all? b) Do you feel that most private lenders are looking for paybacks within 6 months or less? Or do you see that there are certain situations that a longer term would be advantageous? As I am strictly buy and hold, I haven't seen the ability thus far to use a private lender as they seem to want payback in 6 months or less and that is more doable for a flip.


    1. Thanks Dawn. I really have not had very many unpleasant situations. There is one court case that is still proceeding. I suspect that outcome will be less than optimal but I won't really know for a while yet. I am still on good terms with the borrower. The plaintiff was a former lender to the borrower and he tied up some properties which secured my deals with the same borrower. A frivolous lawsuit but it has taken an inordinately long time to clear. There were several deals that did not go as planned but they have all been resolved with some sort of restructuring. All but one of these has been paid in full. One case was 3 days away from a sheriff's sale when the borrower came up with enough funds that I cancelled the sale and reinstated the loan (try to get a deal like that from a bank). I have modified some of the terms of my notes to protect against a couple of the issues that came up. I wouldn't completely rule out doing additional deals with some of the borrowers that had issues with their notes though I would probably ask for considerably more security. I can't speak for most lenders. I suspect they run the gamut. I have been involved in notes that have been paid back in 3 days (transactional funding--really they were settled the next day but the wires took a day) and still hold a note where the original term was 5 years (that is the longest deal I have been involved in--I purchased that note from a broker). Different lenders structure their portfolios based on their income goals and their estimation of future opportunities. A couple people who come to me for occasional short term deals have private lenders who commit considerable funds to them at little more than bank rates for extended periods.