Engineers tend to be a bit stubborn.

I have a full time job right now but I'm focused and pretty stubborn when I set my mind to something.

I'm kind of a stubborn 65% - Repairs kind of guy. 

If he doesn't bite one of two things is the case, either he is just stubborn and will not buy anything not in his very narrow mindset so there is no point unless it is one of those types of deals or, and I mean this with all due respect, your investment case had some flaws in it. 

I will truly say being stubborn as an ox with the belief if there is a will there is a way was  the pinnacle behind these deals!

Either they don't understand and still want a stack of cash out of a low equity deal or just to stubborn to give anything away.

However, he mentioned that he would not be interested in an owner financing option as he probably wants his return immediately after selling (stubborn seller- how original).

One thing I've noticed is you have to have an open mind and not be stubborn as you're learning.  

Below are what the numbers would have looked like:-$189,000 price (assuming I negotiated to the actually purchase price of $170,000)-25% down payment, 4.5% interest purchase price plus reno loan (loan structure I am using for my current deals), $25,000 renovation-Rents were listed at $500 and $750 (I would have put inserted $800 and $1000 which are the rents this type of property usually goes for in this part of Cincinnati, Ohio)After insurance, taxes, and savings the numbers would have been: -8% ROI and 7% cap rateLuckily for me, I was very stubborn and listed my rents at where I wanted them to be, and after a few weeks of vacancies and the fact that super fancy apartments charged $1350 for 1 BR unit, I was able to get the 35% ROI which I now know, is an outlier.Cannot wait to hear about others experiences!

I know that I am more stubborn and prideful than most but cmon.