A lot of fallacious logic and misinformation in this thread (foster and amateur dog trainer here).

Amateurs think buy low, sell high, simplistic thought, in between those prices is added value.

what brie said.15 year is for amateurs.

These aspects are assumed to be met in contract law, pointing out generally accepted assumptions only points out that we are dealing with an amateur lawyer.As to Jon's question that went unanswered.

We also have the amateurs, the once in a while types, most in RE are, this is not their profession or main source of income and it supplements many very well.

I've done a little bit of research on investment clubs in the area and it seems like all the numbers are disconnected or incorrect (I tried calling a club in Orange County and ended up talking to a very lonely lady about how she gets calls for the club all the time, about how her husband was an engineer, and she's an amateur magician hahaha) if you can give me valid numbers and locations for local clubs I'd greatly appreciate it!

Crowd funding seems like in many cases the blind leading the blind.Amateur deal makers and amateur investors with small capital to invest salivating over promised fat returns that never materialize.What's better a REAL 10% or a FAKE  20%??  

There is a lot of competition out there, and you don't want an amateur web site to get in your way of a deal.

While I like to think of myself as an optimist, there are plenty of oppurtunist REIs that use such advertising to take advantage of amateur deal hunters without having to pay them.hope that helped!

Making a bunch of low ball offers is just a sign that it is amateur hour in investor land.