9 rentals, 1 startup while having a W2 job and raising 2 kids

9 rentals, 1 startup while having a W2 job and raising 2 kids

Rental Property Investor · Fort Mill, SC · Member since 2014 · 161 posts · 132 votes

Hey everyone,

First of all, if I didn’t listen to the 1st Biggerpockets podcasts and never skipped a single episode since then, I would not have achieved what I have got today, so big shout out to Biggerpockets and the awesome community, it has been invaluable to my investing journey.

My story

I will turn 33 this year, married, with 2 amazing and adorable daughters, working as a senior software engineer while running a real estate side business.

My portfolio consists of 9 single family rentals, that’s it. 1 of them located in Fort Mill, and the other 8 are in Charlotte. Unit cash flow is between $250 - $350 per door, average cash on cash return on purchase is around 13% and all properties are traditionally financed with 20% down, no partner (besides my wife), may be used some creative financing for some situations like applying zero interest business card to pay for renovation, other than it’s very straightforward.

So how did I get here? Well, the story started in 2009.

  • 2009: 1st year in the United States for getting my master’s degree in computer science, fell in love with web design and web development.
  • 2010: Graduated from school and started working full-time at a logistics company with very minimum wages (I didn’t know at the time) at around 3K a month and long-hour day (10-12 hours a day).
  • Fast forward to 2012: Quitted my first job and joined a tech startup as a junior front end developer, learned a ton of stuff about writing codes.
  • 2013: Got married and got to know Biggerpockets by listening to the podcasts every day while taking my wife to work back and forth. Bought my first house end of 2013.
  • 2014: Bought my first rental property in Fort Mill SC using traditional loan with 20% down, it was a 3b 2.5b townhouse, after learning numerous success stories in BP podcasts.
  • 2015: Bought 2 more rental properties in Fort Mill, similar sizes and still using traditional mortgage with 20% down, close to my own house so it’s easier to manage although I hired PM to take care of them for me. My first baby girl was born.
  • 2016: Got a little cocky and went to penny stock trading, and thought making money was easy and quick, lost roughly 20% of my net worth during that period (not so successful experience but it was a good lesson).
  • 2017: Felt a little depressed after a big loss in the stock market and thought really deep about what I should do to recover from the loss. Got to know about meditation, read a bunch of books, and started picking up BP podcasts again.
  • 2018: Quitted trading and poured all my money into real estate, bought 3 rental properties in Charlotte NC, all single-family houses with 20% down mortgage. Sold the 2 townhouses in SC and did 1031 exchanges and bought 5 more rentals in Charlotte. At the same time my 2nd baby girl was born, I decided to start a side business as an alternative source of income.
  • 2019: The portfolio is stabilizing, and my business started to gain some traction, so my goal for this year is to cautiously buy more properties and focus my energy on building my business, as well as save up money as the local market is getting hot.

What I have learned

Life is about experiences, no matter it was good or bad, but more often, the bad experience made us think and grow, and that is exactly why it is so important to stay open-minded when dealing with life, work and everything else. All in all, there are a few key takeaways that I want to share:

Build a good team around yourself

Everyone knows it’s important to surround yourself with successful people, the same goes with work or running a business. I was fortunate that I found a pretty good real estate agent started from day 1, who is smart and honest, and willing to teach me anything that I want to know. Like-minded people attract each other, so through my agent, I get to know my property manager, my lender and the list goes on and on. Cherish the relationship, express yourself how serious you are in terms of real estate investment, build trust over time, it will definitely be paid off eventually. For my last couple of deals, because I already know the area well enough and I trusted my team, I don’t need to be there physically to decide if I want to buy that house or not. If my agent thinks it’s good enough and the number works out, I will make an offer. By the way, know your numbers is extremely important, tools like Biggerpockets calculators could help.

Stay open-minded

If you never trade stock or do any kind of gambling, lucky for you. While I was trading penny stock during the 2016-17 period, I was so nervous almost every day and it drained my energy so much. One day I could make a few thousand dollars with just a few minutes of trading while the other day I could lose thousands, which made myself so profit-driven. I felt happy when I get a green day, but so depressed when losing money. At the end of the day, trading is a full-time job, I basically kept staring at the screen from 10 to 4 each day, looking at the candle bar chart chasing up profits, it was exhausted. But eventually what I really need is financial freedom and not to chase money every day. The book “Principle” by Ray Dalio, helped me a lot. If I am not staying open-minded, I would have lost it all.

Be frugal

I grew up in a middle-class family in China, and my parents are always frugal about their lifestyles. I somehow inherited those traits from them. As I grew up and become more and more financially independent, deep inside I want to prove myself I can live better, especially when I was studying aboard while my parents were in China. I bought my first car in 2014 and it was a Mercedes Benz C250, thought back that was the dumbest decision I’ve ever made besides penny stock trading just because I want to look rich in front of others. The true cost of ownership of that car is roughly $40K and I traded it after 3 years for just 1/3 of its purchase price. I could have used that money to buy other investments that appreciated. After trading in the MB, I decided to be more disciplined on my financial planning each month, I started to live off roughly 70 - 80% of my income and save the other 20% for investment, so far so good and it is totally worth it. At the end of the day, no one cares about what clothes you wear, what car you drive, you are the only person who is responsible for your financial future. And having cash is good, the market operates in cycles, the worst thing that could happen is when everything is dead cheap, but you don’t have the money. So save it up, be patient and wait.

Perseverance and grit are what matters

If you haven’t read about Angela Lee’s book on grit, you should check it out, it makes a lot of sense to me. Being successful is the process of fell down, get back up, fell again and get back up again. I worked as a software engineer, so life to me is like debugging codes. New bugs come up every now and then, sometimes they are easy ones, some are pretty tricky and take days to figure out, but I always tell myself at the end of the day they will be all solved, the only thing I need to do is to take it one step at a time and keep exploring the solution. The more problems you solve in life and in work, the more confident you will become, and the drive of helping you get back up each time is your passion, that’s why every successful person says you have to love what you do because it is very difficult if you don’t. I love building beautiful and useful software that is the reason why I can get up at 4:30 each morning to work on my side project before everyone else wakes up. And if I don’t love this stuff, there is no way I could wake up that early.

Final words

To sum up, I want to quote Ray Dalio’s words:

I am still on my way to be financially free, it may take 10 years, it may take 5 years but that doesn’t really matter, what matters is I am becoming stronger every single day physically, mentally and spiritually. Read good books, just like Brandon Turner says, leaders are readers, I can’t express enough how much I have learned from reading books, and don’t forget to follow BP podcasts, they are always inspiring and encouraging.

Thanks again to this community, it provides me with so much wisdom and support over the years. And I hope my story could be as inspiring and encouraging just like the podcasts, feel free to reach me out if you have questions. Happy investing!

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Member since 2018 · 6 posts · 11 votes
7y

New to the real estate arena, and looking first my first SFH vs MFH deal. Still working in a W2 job as well. How did you find a good realtor to help locate rentals?

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  • Investor · Downers Grove, IL · Member since 2015 · 1k+ posts · 955 votes
    7y

    Congratulations @Johnny Situ

    It sounds like we have similar journeys. 

    Keep plugging away! 

  • San Jose, CA · Member since 2018 · 11 posts · 5 votes
    7y

    Congratulations @Johnny Situ. 

  • Member since 2018 · 6 posts · 11 votes
    7y

    New to the real estate arena, and looking first my first SFH vs MFH deal. Still working in a W2 job as well. How did you find a good realtor to help locate rentals?

  • Rental Property Investor · Fort Mill, SC · Member since 2014 · 161 posts · 132 votes
    7y

    @Leah N. thanks for reaching out, ask for references is all I do, my agent is referred by one of my coworkers, just you know, great people attract great people.

  • Silver Spring MD · Member since 2015 · 198 posts · 116 votes
    7y

    @Johnny Situ Lots of similarities! I'm also a senior software engineer, and I'm also 33. My portfolio is 8 units (3 duplexes and one SFH that's a wrap). I just had baby number 5 though :)

    Can you give more specifics on the financials of your rentals? 250-350 per door is awesome, I'm netting closer to 150 per door, after conservative reserves.   What kind of reserves are you putting aside for maintenance, cap-ex, and vacancy? 

  • Rental Property Investor · Leander, TX · Member since 2018 · 183 posts · 264 votes
    7y

    Great story @Johnny Situ. Appreciate you sharing both the ups and the downs. Sounds like you have a great sense of your "why" which will keep you going through any rough patches. But, with the energy you show and the positive cash flow on 9 SFRs I suspect you've got a terrific future ahead. Congrats, and keep us posted!

  • Specialist · Miami, FL · Member since 2018 · 72 posts · 24 votes
    7y

    Amazing Story! Keep it up

  • Rental Property Investor · Salt Lake City, UT · Member since 2017 · 15 posts · 8 votes
    7y
    Originally posted by @Rivy S.:

    @Johnny Situ Lots of similarities! I'm also a senior software engineer, and I'm also 33. My portfolio is 8 units (3 duplexes and one SFH that's a wrap). I just had baby number 5 though :)

    Can you give more specifics on the financials of your rentals? 250-350 per door is awesome, I'm netting closer to 150 per door, after conservative reserves.   What kind of reserves are you putting aside for maintenance, cap-ex, and vacancy? 

    I had the same thoughts too.  We are at about the same level with our 6 properties too.   After all said and done we are at about $100-$200 a door.  Thinking about FIRE I love those numbers.  

    In the past for us it more comes down to CoC return. Example, we have one with $105 a door, but we used a Fannie Home-styles loan and had to front 0 of the rehab and turn cost so our CoC is great. But $105 doesnt move me towards FI as much as $250 or $300 would.

  • Rental Property Investor · Warsaw, IN · Member since 2017 · 33 posts · 33 votes
    7y

    Congrats on yous success so far, @Johnny Situ! We have very similar paths with the exception of my focus on multifamily properties. You are spot on with your comments about building a solid team. Keep hustling. Every day.

    Wishing you even more success in 2019!

  • Rental Property Investor · Seattle, WA · Member since 2018 · 24 posts · 29 votes
    7y

    Congrats on your success @Johnny Situ! best of luck as you continue down the path to financial freedom.  I have been on a similar path (have three units, two properties total) and have been using traditional financing as well.  I too have children (6 month old) and I want to continue to build over time to transition to investing full time in the future.  Your story is inspiring and appreciate you sharing!

  • Whitney HuttenPro Member
    Investor · Boulder, CO · Member since 2016 · 1k+ posts · 1k+ votes
    7y

    @Johnny Situ Congrats! I've taken a much similar path in the past 2 years. This year is making the leap from SFR to MF, and launching a business, and traveling my family. Keep up the inspiring work:)

    Whitney

  • Member since 2018 · 29 posts · 20 votes
    7y

    @Johnny Situ Great words of wisdom! I appreciate it and continued success to you.


    Thanks,

    Mike McCoy

  • San Francisco · Member since 2018 · 2 posts · 1 vote
    7y

    Johnny, I love your story!  Thank you for sharing it!  And you're in a great situation for someone so young.  I bet your parents are very proud of you.  :) 

  • Rental Property Investor · Indianapolis, IN · Member since 2017 · 104 posts · 47 votes
    7y

    @Johnny Situ best read of the day. 

  • Member since 2018 · 11 posts · 6 votes
    7y

    Johnny,  thanks for this intro.  I wish I could find some time and do it too.

    I believe I have a very similar situation.  I am also turning 33, from China and arrived in the US in 2008, got married in 2014 and had one baby in 2015.  We even have similar number of rentals.  Plus, I have a 40-hour W-2 job (environmental engineer) and a partner of an Amazon store.  Interestingly, even our 2019 goals are similar.  I would really like to connect to you.  

    By the way, I started to listen to BP podcast in early 2018 at the time I just purchased my second rental property and I really loved it since then.  I listen to both BP Money and Real Estate on my way to work every week.

  • Rental Property Investor · Austin, TX · Member since 2018 · 13 posts · 8 votes
    7y

    Lovely story you got there, Thanks for sharing your journey with us. 

  • Salt lake city and Billings, MT · Member since 2019 · 14 posts · 1 vote
    7y

    @Johnny Situ - Congrats and I see what you mean by being frugal. Love the penny trader story as mine is similar (options) - lol. 

  • Rental Property Investor · Los Angeles, CA · Member since 2016 · 4 posts · 5 votes
    7y

    I too know that feeling of the daily emotional rollercoaster from day trading. Good to see that you were able to recover and find success in real estate. 

  • New York City, NY · Member since 2015 · 40 posts · 7 votes
    7y

    That was absolutely BEAUTIFUL.  Johnny you are an inspiration!!  Thank you for sharing your story.

  • Commercial Real Estate Broker · Spring Branch, TX · Member since 2016 · 6 posts · 2 votes
    7y

    Great article.  You are lucky you are young some of us started much later in life. Enjoy the ride it all works out if you are dedicated to the journey

  • Nick GiulioniPro Member
    Rental Property Investor · Carmel, IN · Member since 2016 · 1k+ posts · 615 votes
    7y

    Thank you for sharing. you are an inspiration to us all. Looking forward to seeing what you do over the next 10 years.

  • Bryan MitchellPro Member
    Rental Property Investor · Columbus, GA · Member since 2016 · 634 posts · 337 votes
    7y

    Well done. I totally agree with the value of perseverance and grit. This and laser like focus are so important. You don’t have to be a genius, beautiful, or extremely talented to be successful. Keep plunging away, never quit! 

  • Member since 2019 · 18 posts · 11 votes
    7y

    @Johnny Situ Awesome story. You are a true inspiration. The Tampa Bay beach market is catching fire this summer. Let me know if you are interested or have any questions about the area.?.?.?.?

  • David AcostaPro Member
    Wilmington, NC · Member since 2014 · 208 posts · 144 votes
    7y

    Congrats, @Johnny Situ .  Love your thoughts on "grit."  All the best moving forward!

  • Lender · Sunnyvale, CA · Member since 2017 · 22 posts · 17 votes
    7y

    Congratulations, @Johnny Situ and also thanks for sharing your journey. Stay away from Stock market casino and stay faithful with Real Estate. It's a slow but sure way to achieve financial freedom. The problem is most of us were tempted with easy gain from stock markets, until you experiences deep losses and regret. Even worse.. you can only deduct your loss $3000 per year.

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