Cleveland or Toledo?

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Cleveland or Toledo?

Aibek Akmat
Vienna, VA · Member since 2016 · 24 posts · 7 votes

Hi everyone! After a long sabbatical, I am back to BP forum. I am a new out-of-state investor considering two markets in Ohio - Cleveland or Toledo. Primary goal is to invest in multi-family units. However, I am open to single-family properties as well, if numbers make sense. I would like to get your opinion on pros and cons of each city from your prospective and experience. Thank you for your input in advance!

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Jimmy LieuBusiness Member
Real Estate Agent · Columbus, OH · Member since 2019 · 3k+ posts · 2k+ votes
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Welcome back, Aibek. Both cities can work for multifamily, but in each one the block matters more than the city, so underwrite street by street and budget for older housing stock. Cleveland and Toledo both run lead-safe certification and rental registration programs, so build inspection and possible remediation costs into your purchase numbers, and line up a local inspector and property manager before you make offers. Taxes and insurance on older buildings can also thin a margin quickly, so run every deal after all expenses. Since your poll has an "another city in Ohio" option, I'd put Columbus on the shortlist too. A lot of the deals I look at here hit the 1% rule and still cash flow after every expense, most come with $20K-$30K of built-in equity, single families mostly run $120K-$180K with multifamily starting around $200K, and uncontested evictions wrap in about 30 days in my experience. Feel free to connect, and I'm happy to make introductions to investor-friendly team members here in Columbus.

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  • Jimmy LieuBusiness Member
    Real Estate Agent · Columbus, OH · Member since 2019 · 3k+ posts · 2k+ votes
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    Welcome back, Aibek. Both cities can work for multifamily, but in each one the block matters more than the city, so underwrite street by street and budget for older housing stock. Cleveland and Toledo both run lead-safe certification and rental registration programs, so build inspection and possible remediation costs into your purchase numbers, and line up a local inspector and property manager before you make offers. Taxes and insurance on older buildings can also thin a margin quickly, so run every deal after all expenses. Since your poll has an "another city in Ohio" option, I'd put Columbus on the shortlist too. A lot of the deals I look at here hit the 1% rule and still cash flow after every expense, most come with $20K-$30K of built-in equity, single families mostly run $120K-$180K with multifamily starting around $200K, and uncontested evictions wrap in about 30 days in my experience. Feel free to connect, and I'm happy to make introductions to investor-friendly team members here in Columbus.

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    • Aibek Akmat
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      Vienna, VA · Member since 2016 · 24 posts · 7 votes
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      Thank you, Jimmy for your input! I have a couple of follow up questions, if you don't mind. Is there a resource available to identify the most desirable blocks in each city? Does Columbus have a lead-safe certification and rental registration program as well?

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    • Gladimir Lobo
      Real Estate Broker · Cleveland, OH · Member since 2023 · 240 posts · 84 votes
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      You're on the right track. How can an OOS competently evaluate deals in Ohio block by block?

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  • Ryan BakerBusiness Member
    Lender · Strongsville / Cleveland, OH · Member since 2026 · 83 posts · 16 votes
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    Welcome back, Aibek. For multifamily, Cleveland generally gives you more inventory and stronger rent-to-price ratios, but block-by-block quality swings a lot, so I'd lean on a local property manager and inspector before offering. Toledo can pencil well too, though it's a smaller market with less depth if you want to scale.

    I'm a lender based in Northeast Ohio (Strongsville) doing investor loans like DSCR, fix and flip, bridge and multifamily, and I also have a local construction and property management team. As an out-of-state buyer, lining up financing and a boots-on-the-ground team first will make your offers much stronger.

    Happy to walk through the numbers on a quick call, my direct line and email are on my profile.

    (Drafted with AI assistance.)

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    • Aibek Akmat
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      Vienna, VA · Member since 2016 · 24 posts · 7 votes
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      Hi Ryan. Thank you for your input, it is really helpful! I will definitely reach out to you when a direction is set.

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  • Mike PaolucciBusiness Member
    Realtor · Columbus Cleveland Dayton, OH · Member since 2022 · 504 posts · 556 votes
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    Quote from @Aibek Akmat:

    Hi everyone! After a long sabbatical, I am back to BP forum. I am a new out-of-state investor considering two markets in Ohio - Cleveland or Toledo. Primary goal is to invest in multi-family units. However, I am open to single-family properties as well, if numbers make sense. I would like to get your opinion on pros and cons of each city from your prospective and experience. Thank you for your input in advance!

    It really depends on your overall goal. If it's cashflow, then Cleveland & Dayton will provide a pretty good ROI with good price points and solid rental income, however you won't see as much apprecaition over time as you would in a city like Columbus. Columbus is going to be tigher on cashflow though so it's really going to boil down to your personal preference.

    I've got clients searching in all 3 markets who have done pretty well overall. Happy to connect and share some additional insights on each market.

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    • Aibek Akmat
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      Vienna, VA · Member since 2016 · 24 posts · 7 votes
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      Hi Mike! Thank you for your input. I am definitely interested in cashflow rather than equity. Would you mind sharing your advice re certain blocks in Cleveland that I should consider?

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  • Jeremy White
    Member since 2026 · 45 posts · 19 votes
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    Welcome back, Aibek. For multifamily, the Cleveland versus Toledo choice often comes down to how well you can find owners who are ready to sell below what the market would pay, since out of state buyers all see the same listings. In the city of Cleveland we gather board up notices and residential permit filings from official records, one time, not a subscription. Are you planning to buy listed deals, or do you want to find your own?

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    • Aibek Akmat
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      Vienna, VA · Member since 2016 · 24 posts · 7 votes
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      Hi Jeremy! Thank you for your reply. I apologize in advance for this silly question, but could you please specify what board up notices and residential permit filings from official records are? I am not familiar with these terms.

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    • Jeremy White
      Member since 2026 · 45 posts · 19 votes
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      No silly question at all, Aibek. Board up notices are the city's records of vacant buildings that have been boarded up, which can point to owners who are under pressure. Residential permit filings are the new permits filed for houses and small buildings, which show where renovation and building work is starting. For the city of Cleveland we gather both from official records, one time, not a subscription, and it covers recent filings, not the history of one address. Which part of Cleveland are you looking at for multifamily?

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    • Aibek Akmat
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      Vienna, VA · Member since 2016 · 24 posts · 7 votes
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      Thank you, Jeremy! This is helpful! I am not sure which parts of Cleveland are more desirable, to be honest. I was told here that it really depends on which block you are in rather than zip code. I am wondering if there is an online source that provides the details of each block?

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    • Jeremy White
      Member since 2026 · 45 posts · 19 votes
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      Good question, Aibek. We do not rate blocks, so I would not want to oversell it. What we gather for the city of Cleveland is board up notices and residential permit filings from official records, one time, not a subscription, and those show which streets have owners under pressure and where renovation work is starting, which is one useful signal when you compare blocks. For how desirable a block is, a local property manager or an agent who works those streets every day will give you the best read. Would a free one page Cleveland sample help you compare streets?

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  • Nathan FisherBusiness Member
    Property Manager · Cleveland, OH · Member since 2020 · 317 posts · 268 votes
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    Akron, Best of both worlds. Lower initial capital outlay, but still a viable rental market. No lead Clearances and building Dept is reasonable. $25 rental registration and only have inspections on complaints.
    Avoid the low income side. Akron evictions take 4 months compared to 2 in cleveland

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    • Aibek Akmat
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      Vienna, VA · Member since 2016 · 24 posts · 7 votes
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      Hi Nathan! Thanks for great tips! Would you recommend Section 8 route in Akron?

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  • Remington LymanBusiness Member
    Real Estate Agent · Columbus, OH · Member since 2017 · 6k+ posts · 7k+ votes
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    Quote from @Aibek Akmat:

    Hi everyone! After a long sabbatical, I am back to BP forum. I am a new out-of-state investor considering two markets in Ohio - Cleveland or Toledo. Primary goal is to invest in multi-family units. However, I am open to single-family properties as well, if numbers make sense. I would like to get your opinion on pros and cons of each city from your prospective and experience. Thank you for your input in advance!

    Both are solid markets!

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  • Min ZhangBusiness Member
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    Hi Aibek! Since you’re focused on multifamily, I’d compare duplexes and small multifamily properties in both cities, looking at rents, taxes, insurance, and rehab costs. I’d also pay close attention to the neighborhood and how easy it would be to find a reliable property manager since you’ll be investing out of state. Are you leaning more toward long-term rentals or value-add properties?

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    • Aibek Akmat
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      Vienna, VA · Member since 2016 · 24 posts · 7 votes
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      Hi Min. Thanks for your input. Probably long-term.

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  • Juan Hasbun
    Lender · Fort Lauderdale, FL · Member since 2020 · 49 posts · 12 votes
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    Welcome back! I've seen investors do well in both markets, so I think it comes down less to Cleveland vs. Toledo and more to which market you understand best.

    Cleveland offers more inventory and multifamily opportunities, but it can vary a lot neighborhood by neighborhood. Toledo tends to have a lower cost of entry and can offer solid cash flow.

    From my perspective, your local team matters more than the city itself. A good property manager, contractor, and agent will make a much bigger difference than picking one Ohio market over another.

    I'd focus on learning one market deeply, analyzing a lot of deals, and building relationships before buying. That's usually where the best opportunities come from.

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  • Arman AhmedPro Member
    Real Estate Agent · Columbus Cleveland Dayton, OH · Member since 2024 · 2k+ posts · 968 votes
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    Quote from @Aibek Akmat:

    Hi everyone! After a long sabbatical, I am back to BP forum. I am a new out-of-state investor considering two markets in Ohio - Cleveland or Toledo. Primary goal is to invest in multi-family units. However, I am open to single-family properties as well, if numbers make sense. I would like to get your opinion on pros and cons of each city from your prospective and experience. Thank you for your input in advance!

    Hey Aibek! Both markets are worth exploring, but I’d lean toward Cleveland for multifamily, especially if you’re looking for longterm cash flow and valueadd opportunities. I work closely in Cleveland, Columbus, and Dayton, sourcing off market, undervalued properties, and have local lenders, property managers, and contractors to help make out of state investing easier. Happy to share a few actual deals so you can compare the numbers and see what makes sense for your goals.

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  • Muyees Ayilara
    Lender · Boynton Beach, FL · Member since 2026 · 124 posts · 55 votes
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    Welcome back Aibek — good question. I invest in Florida but looked at both Ohio markets for out of state multifamily last year, here is what I saw from my own due diligence:

    Cleveland:

    Pros — much larger market, more diverse economy with Cleveland Clinic, Case Western, finance, still affordable entry for 2 to 4 units in good pockets. More property management options and easier resale because more out of state investors already know it. Better rent depth in suburbs like Parma, Lakewood, Euclid.

    Cons — higher property taxes in Cuyahoga County, point of sale inspections in Cleveland Heights and some cities, more variance block to block — you need to learn streets, not just zip codes. Insurance climbing faster than Toledo last 12 months.

    Toledo:

    Pros — lower entry price, better rent to price ratio on paper, landlord friendlier process, Lucas County taxes generally lower.

    Cons — smaller economy, more tied to auto, fewer large PM companies if you scale past 10 units, higher vacancy risk if you pick wrong side of town, smaller buyer pool on exit.

    What helped me decide for out of state: I picked market where I had 2 reliable boots — one GC and one PM — before price. If you have that in one city and not the other, go there.

    For your first multifamily out of state, I would also check 3 things before zip code: 1) eviction timeline in that municipal court, 2) insurance quote for 2 to 4 unit, 3) 6 month leased comps not asking rents within half mile same bed/bath.

    Both can work if numbers are real. Which neighborhoods are you leaning toward right now?

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    • Aibek Akmat
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      Vienna, VA · Member since 2016 · 24 posts · 7 votes
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      Hi Muyees. Thank you for your input, very helpful! I am not clear on neighborhoods as of now, need to study them. Do you know any online sources that provide in-depth information block-by-block in each city?

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  • Drew SygitBusiness Member
    Property Manager · Royal Oak, MI · Member since 2012 · 13k+ posts · 9k+ votes
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    You’re ALWAYS better off investing locally, where it’s easier to:

    ·      Learn the market

    ·         Network to find deals

    ·         Network to find contractors

    ·         Be more hands-on

    ·         Driveby property to keep tabs on it

    ·         Network to find a decent Property Management Company (PMC)

    Next best location is somewhere else you lived, where you have an existing network of family & friends to help you as accomplish the above list as needed.

    If you invest OOS, your biggest challenge won't be finding properties to meet your goals on paper, it’ll be successfully building a knowledgeable & trustworthy local team.

    The biggest mistake we see OOS investors making in our market, over and over again, is not fully understanding Neighborhood/Property/Tenant Classes and how they impact your probability of success!

    They all run their ROI numbers assuming Class A results – when buying Class B, C & even D rentals.

    Then they’re shocked when their performance expectations aren't met😞

    If you choose to invest OOS, and have little to no landlord experience, we highly recommend targeting Class B Neighborhoods/Properties/Tenants. If you target Class C, you better be prepared emotionally & financially for plenty of challenges.

    You can find Class B properties in the Midwest to BRRRR, but it will take more digging and YOU will need to understand how to analyze & identify them - because a lot of agents, wholesalers, PMCs, etc. will try to sell you Class C or D misrepresented as Class B:

    ·         Many of them don't know/care what Class the properties are, so they're incompetent.

    ·         Others know exactly what they are doing, so should be labeled as crooks!
    EITHER WAY YOU LOSE!

    Why is Property Class so important for investors to understand and apply in their investing strategies?

    Because the Property Class dictates the Class of the tenant pool that the property will attract.

    The Tenant Class greatly impacts rental income stability and property maintenance/damage by tenants.

    Both Property Class and Tenant Class will affect what type of contractors, handymen and property management companies you should target and be willing to deal with a property.

    The Property Class will also impact the maintenance & renovations you do to, “Maintain to the Neighborhood/Market”.

    Why is that important?

    Well, if you buy & renovate a property in Class D area to Class A standards, what Tenant Class will actually rent it?

    Or, if you put several Class D tenants in a Class A four-plex, what do you think will happen to the property?

    What do you think will happen if you rehab a Class D rental to Class A standards?

    So, if you fail to apply the correct assumptions to a property, your expectations won’t be met, and it may even be a financial disaster.

    We use the following to rank Property Classes, in order of importance:

    • Property Tenant Pool: closely linked to location, but not always.

    • Property Location: closely linked to tenant pool, but not always.

    • Property Condition & Amenities: it’s important to, “Maintain to the Neighborhood/Market.”

    Key metrics for each Property Class:

    Class A Properties:
    Tenant Pool: Majority of FICO scores 680+, no convictions/evictions in last 7 years.
    Tenant Default: 0-5% probability of eviction or early lease termination.
    Section 8: Class A rents are too high and won’t be approved.
    Vacancies: 5-10%, depending on market conditions.
    Cashflow vs Appreciation: Typically, 3-5 years for positive cashflow, but you get highest relative rent & value appreciation.

    Class B Properties:
    Tenant Pool: Majority of FICO scores 620-680, some blemishes, no convictions/evictions in last 5 years.
    Tenant Default    : 5-10% probability of eviction or early lease termination.
    Vacancies    : 10-15%, depending on market conditions.
    Cashflow vs Appreciation: Typically, 1-3 years for positive cashflow, balanced amounts of relative rent & value appreciation.
    Section 8: Class B rents are usually too high for the Section 8 program.

    Class C Properties:
    Tenant Pool: Majority of FICO scores 560-620, many blemishes, but should have no convictions/evictions in last 3 years. Verifying recent 2-years of rental history very important! Same for 2-years of job/income stability.
    Tenant Default: 10-20% probability of eviction or early lease termination.
    Section 8: Class C rents usually meet program requirements, proper screening still recommended.
    Vacancies: 10-20%, depending on market conditions and tenant screening.
    Cashflow vs Appreciation: Should cashflow immediately, at the lower end of relative rent & value appreciation.

    Class D Properties:
    Tenant Pool: Majority of FICO scores under 560, little to no good tradelines, lots of collections & chargeoffs, but should have no convictions/evictions in last 12 months. Verifying last 2-years of rental history and income/employment extremely important to find the “best of the worst”.
    Tenant Default: 20-30% probability of eviction or early lease termination.
    Section 8: Class D rents meet program requirements, often challenges to pass Section 8 inspection.
    Vacancies: 20%+, depending on market conditions and tenant screening.
    Cashflow vs Appreciation: Typically, all cashflow with little, maybe even negative, relative rent & value appreciation.

    Where did we get our FICO credit score information from?

    Check out this chart:

    FICO Score

    Pct of Population

    Default Probability

    800 or more

    13.00%

    1.00%

    750-799

    27.00%

    1.00%

    700-749

    18.00%

    4.40%

    650-699

    15.00%

    8.90%

    600-649

    12.00%

    15.80%

    550-599

    8.00%

    22.50%

    500-549

    5.00%

    28.40%

    Less than 499

    2.00%

    41.00%

    Make sure you understand the Class of properties you are looking at and the corresponding results to expect.

    For example, Metro Detroit has 132 cities and the City of Detroit 183 Neighborhoods, which we’re analyzing and classifying to make better investing decisions.

    Horror Stories from those that did NOT Understand What they were Buying:

    https://www.biggerpockets.com/forums/48/topics/1137397-baltimore-a-path-to-never-ending-pain
    https://www.biggerpockets.com/forums/432/topics/1231840-sell-at-a-loss-or-rent-at-a-loss
    https://www.biggerpockets.com/forums/311/topics/840134-memphis-turnkey-tenant-turnover-costs
    https://www.biggerpockets.com/forums/963/topics/1195280-experience-of-oos-investing-in-cleveland-after-15-years
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    • Aibek Akmat
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      Hi Drew! This is super helpful info you shared, thank you so much! Do you guys work in OH?

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  • Alfath AhmedBusiness Member
    Real Estate Agent · Columbus, OH · Member since 2022 · 1k+ posts · 1k+ votes
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    Hey @Aibek Akmat I would personally lean towards Cleveland for multifamily. I've done a ton of deals there with OOS investors. You can find some good cashflowing duplexes and small multifamily properties at affordable price points.

    Toledo is cheaper in certain areas and can offer higher rent-to-price ratios, but I would be more careful with neighborhood selection, tenant demand, and deferred maintenance.

    I would focus on B-/C+ neighborhoods, updated mechanicals, and having a good PM on the ground. Both markets can work, but I have more experience with Cleveland and would lean that direction.

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    • Aibek Akmat
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      Vienna, VA · Member since 2016 · 24 posts · 7 votes
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      Hi Ahmed! Great to know, thank you for your input! How long have you been investing in Cleveland?

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  • Chris SeveneyBusiness Member
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    Investor · VA · Member since 2015 · 21k+ posts · 19k+ votes
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    Can neither be an option ? 😂

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    • Aibek Akmat
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      Absolutely, Chris! What reservations you have about them? Please do share your thoughts.

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  • Nicholas L.Pro Member
    Flipper/Rehabber · Pittsburgh · Member since 2018 · 6k+ posts · 5k+ votes
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    @Aibek Akmat

    how about a market 1-2 hours away instead - say, Hagerstown or Winchester?

    most new OOS investors don't do what it takes to set up a team and a good operation.

    so i'd stay closer to home. "but it's more expensive," you say. how about this? that actually seems pretty expensive.

    How do you verify your General Contractor’s work before making the final payment

    or these.

    Turnkey Nightmare: Property Manager Ignored My Warning About a Missing A/C…

    Nightmare with my property manager - advice needed!

    Feedback Needed: $8.8k Turnover Quote for 2BR Duplex (Half)
    Out-of-State Landlord Nightmare: 4 Months No Rent, Cleveland Escrow Battle
    Failed BRR in Memphis TN

    A Cautionary Tale About a Property Manager in Cinncinatti

    expensive.

    hope this helps.

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    • Aibek Akmat
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      Vienna, VA · Member since 2016 · 24 posts · 7 votes
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      Hi Nicholas. Do you work in Winchester and Hagerstown? Would have been great options if home prices were more affordable.

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    • Nicholas L.Pro Member
      Flipper/Rehabber · Pittsburgh · Member since 2018 · 6k+ posts · 5k+ votes
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      @Aibek Akmat

      i researched and visited Hagerstown and think it has great potential. did you read the threads i provided?

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  • BJ Everson
    Realtor · Columbus, Franklin County · Member since 2026 · 29 posts · 5 votes
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    Hi Aibek. On your Columbus question: yes on rental registration, and as far as I know there's no Cleveland-style lead-safe certification.

    • Rental registration: Columbus passed a rental registry this year (Ordinance 0923-2026, City Code Chapter 4515). The first registration window is Oct 1 to Dec 31, 2026, and after that the registry runs by calendar year starting in 2027. The ordinance sets the fee at $15 per unit, capped at $1,500 per complex. It also calls for a "Preventative Education Inspection" about every 3 years. That inspection covers the exterior and common areas; unit interiors aren't inspected unless the tenant or owner asks. Owners with fewer than 10 units don't have to name a local operator. A new owner has 30 days after the transfer to re-register, and after a notice of violation the penalty is $2 per unit per day. Full text: columbus.legistar.com/LegislationDetail.aspx

    • Lead: Columbus has Lead Safe Columbus, a grant-funded repair program for pre-1978 homes. Rentals can qualify if they're rented to households at or below 80% of area median income, with a 3-year covenant. It's a funding program, not a mandatory clearance like Cleveland's. Federal rules apply everywhere: lead disclosure on pre-1978 rentals, and RRP-certified contractors for any work that disturbs paint. Whichever city you pick, on older Ohio housing stock I'd still budget for lead-safe paint work and a sewer scope, and use the actual tax bill and a real insurance quote before trusting the cash flow. Happy to compare notes on a specific deal.

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    • Aibek Akmat
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      Vienna, VA · Member since 2016 · 24 posts · 7 votes
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      Hi BJ! Super helpful info, thank you so much! Would you say Columbus is more attractive than Toledo for OOS investors?

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    • BJ Everson
      Realtor · Columbus, Franklin County · Member since 2026 · 29 posts · 5 votes
      21h

      I can’t speak to Toledo from experience, but pricing is probably better there. Columbus is growing like crazy so rentals are needed and appreciation is there. Happy to help in the Columbus market if you’re interested!

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  • Marc MoraPro Member
    Investor · Member since 2026 · 41 posts · 5 votes
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    Aibek, let's connect. Both cities can work, I've lived in Ohio for years. I'd start with what you want this to do for you, exit strategy, and how hands on you can realistically be from out of state. Those two answers tend to narrow the city and the property type faster than a pros and cons list.

    I'd gladly make a few introductions and share some resources while you weigh the two.

    Just sent you a DM.

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  • Randy Schell
    Member since 2026 · 202 posts · 22 votes
    19h

    Welcome back, and good on you for comparing before you buy. Whichever city you pick, I'd line up a local inspector you trust before the first offer, since older Ohio multifamily can hide roof, plumbing and basement water issues that a spreadsheet never shows.

    Randy, Bunklow

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