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All Forum Posts by: Aaron Phillips

Aaron Phillips has started 26 posts and replied 101 times.

Post: Another Question For Wholesalers

Aaron PhillipsPosted
  • Rental Property Investor
  • Burlington, KY
  • Posts 101
  • Votes 66

Hey @Brian Vaughan

100% of the time I let them know that I will most likely be assigning the contract to one of my investors. The investors being a Cash Buyer. The past couple times I had potential deals on the table, I had to explain what it meant to assign the Purchase Agreement (Which I am still brushing up on ways to explain this process more efficiently). 

I am sure to let each Seller know I have partnered with other REI's who would be interested in purchasing this property, and set up another time (work around the Sellers schedule) for myself and the Cash Buyer to do a thorough walk-through. 

Reaction wise, Sellers don't typically care. Just like how REI's don't care to know you are wholesaling the property. Sellers just want to close quickly, and REI's just want to buy a property for a great deal which turns a great profit. So my personal opinion is don't worry about telling your Seller or Cash Buyer what you are doing. The only thing I don't discuss is my assignment fee. 

If you have any more questions, feel free to ask! I'm always open to answering Wholesale Questions to the best of my knowledge. 

Aaron Phillips

Post: ~~Important Question For Seasoned Wholesalers~~

Aaron PhillipsPosted
  • Rental Property Investor
  • Burlington, KY
  • Posts 101
  • Votes 66

@Karen Rittenhouse 

I went to your website, and did some reading. I myself have been working on developing a website, but it isn't live yet. Seeing your website inspired some ideas for mine. Would you mind if I messaged you on here? 

Post: Another Question For Wholesalers

Aaron PhillipsPosted
  • Rental Property Investor
  • Burlington, KY
  • Posts 101
  • Votes 66

@James Green Then before I go looking for any more deals, I am going to connect with some more cash buyers, and try to get some info on what type of properties they are particularly looking for. I'd like to be able to do consistent deals with the same Cash Buyers so that I always have a go-to guy/gal when I do find these amazing deals. Like you said, finding them isn't too difficult. It just takes some consistency. 

Post: Another Question For Wholesalers

Aaron PhillipsPosted
  • Rental Property Investor
  • Burlington, KY
  • Posts 101
  • Votes 66
Originally posted by @James Green:

@Aaron Phillips here are a few thoughts, - "Should you close on the property....?" - DEPENDS.

If the goal is to wholesale to raise funds to eventually start flipping, then that means (to me) you don't have the funds to close on a property. If you have the funds to close, then why not just close on it and rehab it?!?! Closing on the property to wholesale, defeats the goal of raising funds. Using your own example, your wholesale fee of $5K would be reduced by the typical closing costs & fees. Double those costs if you do a double close.

I know that there are many wholesalers that are closing on their deals, if they are unable to assign the contract. BUT,..what if you live in an area where wholesale price points are 200K+? Do you have 200K to close on a property? Again if you have that kind of resources you might as well buy it to rehab yourself, IF rehabbing is your intended exit strategy. I myself am not attracted to rehabbing at all!!! I just find properties, not interested in fixing them up.

I myself either assign properties or take a fee from either my seller or from my buyer. The properties I wholesale can run from $15K - $3M.

In my opinion these are the top problems with a property you can't assign:

1) You don't have a large enough buyer's list! You should start with building your buyer's list and adding to it continually. It's not that hard. I know you've probably read, "you don't need that big of a buyer's list, you only need a couple of good buyers". That's kind of a misleading statement. No matter how big your list is, you will always have a small % of consistent buyers continually looking for and buying deals. Volume buyers may buy at a higher price because they have cheaper costs because they are more experienced. They also have the ability to close faster, than someone that needs to get an appraisal from their local bank or they have to wait on approval from their hard money lender. The rest of your buyers will buy as the need fits for them ie) buyers that can only handle buying 1 deal a quarter.  As you build your list, your list will consist of -volume rehabbers & landlord buyers, occasional rehabbers & landlord buyers, brand new rehabbers & landlords looking for their first deal, other wholesalers, investors that like the idea of investing but will ultimately not pull the trigger (with you or anybody), etc. So by default, the number of consistent buyers will be small in relation to your overall list. Let's just say 5% of your list are the type that buys up everything from you that fits THIER CRITERIA. Thus you need 100 buyers on your list to have 5 of these type of repeat buyers.

2) Your offer price is to high, possibly because your not dealing with a motivated seller. There is a huge difference between a motivated seller and a seller that is willing to sell at a discount. A motivated seller, HAS TO SELL, and is willing to take less than .50 on the dollar to get out of the property.

3) The location of the property for whatever reason is not favorable to any investors. Ex) Smallest & ugliest house, on the smallest lot, in an upscale neighborhood with huge lots = A property you can't rent, nor sell to a rehabber. Property may be good for someone looking to speculate, but not invest. There is a difference, think bitcoins.

4) The deal you have doesn't fit any criteria for the buyers on your list, because you kept your list small thinking you only "needed a few good buyers". As you expand & grow your buyer's list, your potential deal opportunities expand also. Using the 5% number, note this is just a number I'm using as an example, what if you had a list of 300 buyers, 500 buyers,1000 buyers, 5000, etc. Take 5% of those numbers. What if you come across a smoking hot 20 unit multi family apartment deal, but none of your buyers buy multi-families? What do you do? Pass on the opportunity or grow your list? In a recent podcast on BP, I believe I remember hearing @Brett Snodgrass saying he has a buyers list of 10-20K, and he closes on his deals, then turns around and sells them to his buyers. I wouldn't consider his buyer's list small, yet his consistent buyers is small relative to his overall list.

I never tell the property owner I'm buying their property. I always tell them my investors will be buying your property.

You don't have to lie, to wholesale properties.

 Very well put. You have went over and beyond answering my question, and I really appreciate that. 

Post: Another Question For Wholesalers

Aaron PhillipsPosted
  • Rental Property Investor
  • Burlington, KY
  • Posts 101
  • Votes 66

I just finished reading the Wholesaling Guide on BP for a second time, just to brush up on my Wholesaling knowledge. Now i'm back here, and seeking a final answer to the big question I know many other Noobies have about wholesaling. 

Wholesaling can be one of the most profitable ways for people who are looking to get into Real Estate to build capital to fund other projects. E.g. I want to do 3+ Wholesale deals a month so that I can build the capital needed to do my own flips, or rentals. 

Now for the big question! Should a wholesaler have the funds to purchase the property themselves, if unable to assign the contract to a Cash Buyer?

If the wholesaler found a property with an ARV of $110,000 (Same as example used in the Wholesaling guide) had $30,000 in repairs, Wholesale Fee of $5,000, and $15,000 for Fixed Costs - and knows the Cash Buyer wants to make a $20,000 so the Wholesaler gets the contract for the MOA of $40,000.

Is the Wholesaler required to have $40,000 to close on the property once it's under contract in the event of the Cash Buyer can't close, or the Wholesaler can't find a Cash Buyer?  

I've heard a lot about Fraud by Inducement where the Wholesaler basically lies to the Seller and gives the Seller the impression that he/she (the Wholesaler) has the funds necessary to close but really doesn't. Which is why I tell each Seller that I will be assigning the Contract to a Cash Buyer. 

The way I want to start my Wholesale Business is by 1.Finding Great Deals
2. Connect the Seller to the Buyer 
3. Collect my 'Finders Fee' 

Without the intent of owning the property myself.

The whole reason to me getting into Wholesaling is so that I can build up enough capital to become a 'Cash Buyer' myself. I want to be able to do Fix & Flips , and own multiple rental properties. Wholesaling just seems like it can open up a window of opportunity for me, and help me find people I can use for future connections that will propel me in my Real Estate career. 

If this isn't possible to Wholesale without the intent of owning the property myself, then I will continue to search for other ways to start my Real Estate career. I want to operate my own Real Estate business, and I want to do it with integrity. 

With all due respect - I want to hear from people who are starting their own Wholesaling business, or people who have been Wholesaling for awhile now. I know there is many people who disagree with Wholesaling, but I am not here for debate. I am here for facts, and advice. 

Thanks in advance BP!

Aaron Phillips

Post: ~~Important Question For Seasoned Wholesalers~~

Aaron PhillipsPosted
  • Rental Property Investor
  • Burlington, KY
  • Posts 101
  • Votes 66
Originally posted by @Jay Hinrichs:

problem is your partner is not really your partner.. its those little fibs that you guys use that get you in trouble..

partner would infer that you are actually partners... not someone on a buyers list  LOL.. any way.. check your fema maps.

 A partner is a person who works hand-in-hand to get a task done. If you do deals with the same Cash Buyer, how would that not classify the Cash Buyer as your partner? It isn't a fib, it's the truth. 

Post: ~~Important Question For Seasoned Wholesalers~~

Aaron PhillipsPosted
  • Rental Property Investor
  • Burlington, KY
  • Posts 101
  • Votes 66
Originally posted by @Karen Rittenhouse:

Hi @Aaron Phillips:

You need to hang out with wholesalers and learn the business. Please don't do this to another seller! It gives all investors a really bad name.

The first thing you need to be able to do is comp properties. You can't possibly sell something if you don't know what you have. Just because you buy something cheap doesn't mean it's a deal, as you discovered. If you truly want to buy and sell 3 a month, you're planning to make some decent money doing this so invest in some comping resources. The good ones charge a monthly fee but the free ones (like Zillow) are worth what you pay for them...

And you must know how to negotiate with the seller to get a price low enough that you can resell it to the next investor and leave profit for them. Part of the negotiating skill is preparing the seller up front for the process that will follow. At this point, I don't believe you know the process well enough to describe it to someone else.

The forum is really for answering questions, not teaching techniques. You need to spend more time attending your local investor groups like REIA and landlord meetings. Also check out meetup.com.

Good luck to you and, by the way, wholesaling is a perfectly great way to make money in real estate investing.

I think my mistake was using Zillow, because some of the houses on the same street as this one I described above were recently sold for about what I calculated the ARV to be. It would have made a nice profit. I just need to learn how to figure out where I can check for flooding issues. Correct me if I am wrong, but my duty as a wholesaler is to connect the Seller to the Buyer and I act as a 'Middle-Man' in a sense? I find a really good deal, I calculate the ARV, I review the Comps in the area, and if it looks like a Cash Buyer can make a nice profit from it after factoring in my Assignment Fee, I make an offer on the property. I've been told by other wholesalers that your first offer is supposed to practically embarrass you. Once the Seller and I come to an agreement, I get the property under contract. I then let the Seller know that I got in touch with my partner, and we'd like to schedule a time that we can do a walk through of the property. If all checks out with the property, I go to the Title Company with the purchase agreement, and have them open a title to make sure there is no taxes, liens, or mortgages on the property.

I have a pretty good gist of how wholesaling goes, but this is why I took a step back to soak in as much knowledge as I could so that I can do this efficiently, and effectively. However, if you see any flaw in what I said feel free to let me know because I am looking for as much advice as I can get before I go back out there and start looking for deals again. 

Thanks so much for the tips though, they will definitely come in handy. 

Aaron Phillips 

Post: ~~Important Question For Seasoned Wholesalers~~

Aaron PhillipsPosted
  • Rental Property Investor
  • Burlington, KY
  • Posts 101
  • Votes 66
Originally posted by @Jay Hinrichs:

well this is pretty easy... just look at fema flood maps or call your insurance broker and ask if the home would require flood insurance.. you guys that do this really need to get educated on the BASICS.

and of course your going to look like a fool when you tell the seller your a cash buyer and your really not.

if you want to keep this from happening learn the business.. then get a money partner or transactional funder.. close on the deal and resell.. other wise you always risk this.

or simply get a real estate licesne and take listings and get paid that way.. no subterfuge and flat out lying to sellers to get them into contract.. simple as that.

 I think you completely misunderstood what I said. I did not tell the seller I was a cash buyer, not once have I ever told any seller I was the cash buyer. I let them know that I am partnered with other cash buyers, and I would consult with my partner if all checks out and the inspection is clear, closing normally takes 30 days. I add inspection contingencies in the purchase agreement for this very reason.  I connect the Seller to the Buyer, and just collect my fee. 

Post: ~~Important Question For Seasoned Wholesalers~~

Aaron PhillipsPosted
  • Rental Property Investor
  • Burlington, KY
  • Posts 101
  • Votes 66
Originally posted by @Account Closed:

I'm not a seasoned wholesaler but it seems pretty obvious that you need to do more due diligence on the properties that you are targeting. Put yourself in the end buyers shoes. Would you have wanted to buy there as an investment or flip? You need to target properties that are in high demand, basically properties that investors would be drooling and jumping for.

You should be know about the area as much or more than the end buyer. If you had known that the property was at a high risk area of flooding you probably wouldn't have got it under contract right?

 If I was aware that specific area was notorious for flooding then my short answer is No, I wouldn't have gotten it under contract. The other point to be made is, would there be any way to 'lessen' the risk? The property was close to the OH River, but not so close you'd think it would play a factor in flooding. 

Post: ~~Important Question For Seasoned Wholesalers~~

Aaron PhillipsPosted
  • Rental Property Investor
  • Burlington, KY
  • Posts 101
  • Votes 66

Hello BP, 

My name is Aaron, some of you may have seen me around the forums. I have been hardcore studying up on Wholesaling for months, BiggerPockets being the most useful source of information. I've tried my hand in it by diving in, and got a couple properties under contract. My goal was to do 3+ Wholesale Deals a month. One of the deals was such a nightmare, it really discouraged me to move forward because of how things panned out. 

What had happened was I got this property under contract, and I let the seller know ahead of time what I was doing. I let him know I was going to connect him with one of my partners (e.g. the Cash Buyer) and we would be able to close in 30 days. Once I spoke with my cash buyer, the cash buyer informed me that the area the property sits on is notorious for flooding, and he wasn't interested. To make a long story short, I wasn't able to close and I tried to let the Seller know that ahead of time, and gave the reason why. He was very unpleased to say the least, and it was an extremely embarrassing situation for me. I didn't want to be known for the guy who can't close. So instead of continuing on, and finding other deals I decided i'd sit back once again, and keep on studying Wholesaling by reading books, learning from others mistakes, taking advice from the BP community, connecting myself with others, and listening to podcasts. 

I'm here today to ask for advice on how I can prevent something like this from happening again? Before I get a purchase agreement in place should I ask the seller what their biggest problem with selling has been? Should I ask if Floods are an issue? I don't know what the appropriate questions would be to prevent this. 

***Also, I know Wholesaling is one of the more looked down on methods of Real Estate. So let me make sure I'm not completely foolish here... You do not need the necessary funds to buy the property you are getting under contract? You are just assigning the contract to a cash buyer who does have the necessary funds to do it? I have NO INTENTION of buying any property right now. My intentions on wholesaling is to build enough capital to buy rentals, but that's my long-term goal.  I just want to connect the Seller to the Buyer and collect an Assignment Fee for it. Now am I alright to do this?