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All Forum Posts by: Bobby Shell

Bobby Shell has started 18 posts and replied 152 times.

Post: Roofstock (Review / Case Study)

Bobby ShellPosted
  • Investor
  • Fort Collins, CO
  • Posts 165
  • Votes 126
Originally posted by @Farrukh Amini:
Originally posted by @Jon Krombein:

@Simcha Davidman, sorry for the delay in response. One year in and it’s going great. I did have to switch property managers this year though. The one I picked had an existing relationship with RoofStock and when I interviewed them they were super responsive and I felt great about it. But once the deal was done, they’re were really sluggish and didn’t communicate well. Also, I was cycled through multiple point of contact (apparently due to staff turnover—not a good sign.)

But, I learned this fall that one of my coworkers also had recently bought in Indy and was really liking her PM—Wilmoth. So based on her recommendation, I switched, and so far they have been great!

Thank you for sharing your experience Jon. Do you mind sharing what kind of ROI you're seeing with your Roofstock investment?

Earlier he mentioned $120 monthly about 10% cash on cash.

Post: Advice on buying first rental property

Bobby ShellPosted
  • Investor
  • Fort Collins, CO
  • Posts 165
  • Votes 126

@Ashley Wright good Q. There is value. Make sure when running your numbers to include having a property manager. This way if you self manage and hen decide not too you have the freedom to do so without losing cash flow.

Post: Do you have a mentor or are you self educated fully?

Bobby ShellPosted
  • Investor
  • Fort Collins, CO
  • Posts 165
  • Votes 126
Originally posted by @Cameron Riley:

@Bobby Shell

Recommend some podcasts and YouTube videos if you can!

Thanks again!!!!

 BP obviously :)

Lifetime of Cash Flow Through Real Estate - rod klief (podcast)

Tax Free Wealth - book by tom wheelwright

cash flow quadrant - Robert Kiyosaki 

I also loved David Greene's book on how to invest in real estate out of state! He talks about how to manage people and teams. I think it is great because you learn how to manage everything even if local.

Post: 25% + down on a rental - feedback

Bobby ShellPosted
  • Investor
  • Fort Collins, CO
  • Posts 165
  • Votes 126

I forgot to mention we are in a high-income tax bracket. I also want to write this off to lower our taxes etc. so that plays a major role in our decision as well. 

Post: 25% + down on a rental - feedback

Bobby ShellPosted
  • Investor
  • Fort Collins, CO
  • Posts 165
  • Votes 126

Long time listener, I have a newbie Q though. I know the answer is "it depends on your personal goals" but hear me out.

What are the disadvantages of putting 30% down on a rental property? (here out my story below)

I am looking at a new build in a gated community in my hometown in Florida. I live in Colorado now. 

My father is a real estate agent of 15 years in Florida and he is helping me get this property. It is in the neighbourhood my father lives in as well which is great for us long term if we move back. This will be a second home we plan to stay and visit once per year between tenants and when it is empty.

I was going to put 30% down because I have a great income with my wife and myself combined. This property would cashflow at 30% down more than 25% down obviously. This extra 5% equates to about $12,000 more in down payment. with it being a new build there should be fewer things needing to be fixed etc. Lower home insurance and the other benefits of a new build.

I just wanted to hear what the community things and if there are major red flags to putting more than 25% down. I like the security of it being a new build, fewer issues etc. And I do not mind putting more down to secure more cash flow and get it paid off SOONER. I love that security. 

I truly appreciate your time and comments!

Post: Taking out 401k to buy rental. 100% depreciation

Bobby ShellPosted
  • Investor
  • Fort Collins, CO
  • Posts 165
  • Votes 126
Originally posted by @Tony Unkel:

If you have a 401k from a prior employer, you can roll those funds into a Self Directed IRA and make your real estate investments through the ira. there are no penalties or taxes involved in this transaction. If you current employer plan allows for in-service rollovers, depending on age, this can also be accomplished.

Does this mean it can not be done with a current employer? Thanks for sharing your insight Tony!

Post: Taking out 401k to buy rental. 100% depreciation

Bobby ShellPosted
  • Investor
  • Fort Collins, CO
  • Posts 165
  • Votes 126
Originally posted by @Winnie Chien:

What if you just borrow it instead of taking out of the 401K? I have been contributing 20% of my income to 401K and reach a sizable amount after 10 years. Good deal was hard to find in the location we liked without large amount of cash. So I borrowed the max of 50,000 out in spring 2018 against my 401K and bought a fix upper property in Nov 2018, since then I dropped my 401K contribution to 6% to match company's and paying back with interest for next five years. I felt it allow me to purchase still at approximately 20%, and I felt no difference in my paycheck, I can still live. I will pay off this loan in 4 more years, and will repeat the same process. I felt this way I have gained control on my investments. (of course, I plan to work as long as I can ) 

 Thanks Winnie. What was the rate you got since it was your own 401k money? Someone here said the interest is paid back to yourself? That sounds too good to be true. Is that what you have seen as well?

Post: Taking out 401k to buy rental. 100% depreciation

Bobby ShellPosted
  • Investor
  • Fort Collins, CO
  • Posts 165
  • Votes 126
Originally posted by @Natalie Kolodij:
Originally posted by @Bobby Shell:

Thanks everyone. We have the cash now for one rental we are currently on the hunt for, but was really hoping to rope in a second. I meet my cpa next week and will look more.

Apparently with the new tax law according to different podcasts I have been listening too you can depreciate a property year one for 100%. Maybe I did not understand and they were overhyping. I figured I had to ask to know for sure. Appreciate your feedback

This is talking about Bonus depreciation. 

It's only applicable on property with a life of 20 years or less. 

Residential rentals are over 27.5, commercial over 39 

There are some things you can break out over shorter spans on a residential rental (appliances, carpet, window treatments, driveways) OR if your property is large enough to warrant a cost segregation you are separating out way more to depreciate on a shorter span thus qualifying it for bonus. 

Natalie. Thank you! That makes sense. They didn't go that deep in the material I was listening too. Thank you

Post: Taking out 401k to buy rental. 100% depreciation

Bobby ShellPosted
  • Investor
  • Fort Collins, CO
  • Posts 165
  • Votes 126

Thanks everyone. We have the cash now for one rental we are currently on the hunt for, but was really hoping to rope in a second. I meet my cpa next week and will look more.

Apparently with the new tax law according to different podcasts I have been listening too you can depreciate a property year one for 100%. Maybe I did not understand and they were overhyping. I figured I had to ask to know for sure. Appreciate your feedback

Post: Taking out 401k to buy rental. 100% depreciation

Bobby ShellPosted
  • Investor
  • Fort Collins, CO
  • Posts 165
  • Votes 126

Listening to Robert K (Rich Dad) and his partner Tom Wheelwright they said you can take money out of your 401k and take the penalty, but then buy a rental and depreciate it the first year to offset the loss where you end up paying no taxes.

Does anyone have proof of this or can you debunk it? I am going to talk to my tax professional but wanted to open up the conversation and hear if the community has experience with this new tax law.

Thanks!