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All Forum Posts by: Brian Metz

Brian Metz has started 3 posts and replied 65 times.

Post: Minimum Cash Flow & Cash on Cash ROI

Brian MetzPosted
  • Rental Property Investor
  • Fayetteville, NC
  • Posts 65
  • Votes 43

@Andrew B Degnan, this is just a snippet, but on SFRs, as the BP bubbas mention often, turning a 2br into a 3br is a great way to add-value and command higher rents. Cosmetic rehabs such as new paint, flooring, etc go a long way. I put in new vinyl flooring, a new bathroom vanity, cleaned like crazy, and put in some cheap backsplash in the kitchen. That property sits at an 8-cap right now so spending just under $5K/unit has increased the value of the property $10K/unit because now I can charge higher rents, which increases NOI. So to answer your question, increasing the NOI of the property will increase the value of your multi-family.

Post: Cash Out Refi 8 Unit

Brian MetzPosted
  • Rental Property Investor
  • Fayetteville, NC
  • Posts 65
  • Votes 43
Originally posted by @Bryan Hartlen:
Originally posted by @Brian Metz:

I did a cash out refi of a 6 unit and they did not need to see all the units. I’m sure you’re aware of this, but it’s a mistake I made so worth sharing...whatever bank you’re wanting to use, make sure you know their seasoning requirements. When I was shopping, some lenders wanted to see those raised rents steady for a min of 6 months to a year or they would only lend on LTC not the value the appraiser came back with. I should have started with a bridge loan to season it and then secured long-term financing.

 Brian, can you explain how a bridge loan would have helped you season your value-add stabilized rents?

@Bryan Hartlen, sure thing. With a bridge loan I'd be paying a higher rate, compensating their risk-reward ratio. But it'd allow me to have the leverage to go in and fix up the units, raise rents, and allow all of that to stabilize. The conditions with many bridge loans can be structured toward value-add/rehab properties. After 6 months to a year of stabilized units, I'd go to a different bank where I'm looking to secure long-term (20-30 year note) financing. In effect, that bridge loan was the short-term platform to get them stabilized in the eyes of a larger bank. Hope that helps, hit me up with any other questions!

Cheers,

Brian

Post: Cash Out Refi 8 Unit

Brian MetzPosted
  • Rental Property Investor
  • Fayetteville, NC
  • Posts 65
  • Votes 43

I did a cash out refi of a 6 unit and they did not need to see all the units. I’m sure you’re aware of this, but it’s a mistake I made so worth sharing...whatever bank you’re wanting to use, make sure you know their seasoning requirements. When I was shopping, some lenders wanted to see those raised rents steady for a min of 6 months to a year or they would only lend on LTC not the value the appraiser came back with. I should have started with a bridge loan to season it and then secured long-term financing.

Cheers,

Brian

Post: Cash Out Refinance in Georgia

Brian MetzPosted
  • Rental Property Investor
  • Fayetteville, NC
  • Posts 65
  • Votes 43

Just shot you a PM

Post: I want to invest... but the houseing market right now

Brian MetzPosted
  • Rental Property Investor
  • Fayetteville, NC
  • Posts 65
  • Votes 43
Originally posted by @Ethan McRae:

@Brian Metz All good advice. When you say "different than a traditional cap" do you mean that commercial property cap rates are different than residential/ traditional cap rates? if so how come?

 No sorry, I just meant the cap rate for the area.

Post: I want to invest... but the houseing market right now

Brian MetzPosted
  • Rental Property Investor
  • Fayetteville, NC
  • Posts 65
  • Votes 43

Hi @Ethan McRae,

My advice is to "average in." Think of this like buying 10 shares of a company's stock every year. You're averaging in your price despite the ups and downs. So in RE, if you start buying a property this year and one a year, you're kind of averaging in.

Second, if you look toward commercial properties (more than 4 units), you can help yourself with valuation because it will be based more on the income than the comps in the area. I started off with a 6-unit and it was appraised based off the income and cap rate. Yes cap rates will fluctuate during economic downturns, but I believe it's still different than a traditional comp.

Third, if you have some experience when the market downturns, banks and others may be happier to lend to you when everyone else is running away. At that point, you've proven that you're in the game and know how to work it. If you're just getting started then, people may be more skeptical about what you can do.

Like @Mike Sola said, I wouldn't factor in appreciation. I'm currently under contract for a duplex that was built in the 90s for $90K and now I'm buying it for $70K. When analyzing deals, I ignore appreciation, equity paydown, and any tax benefits.

Cheers,

Brian

Post: Cash Out Refinance in Georgia

Brian MetzPosted
  • Rental Property Investor
  • Fayetteville, NC
  • Posts 65
  • Votes 43

Not sure if you're doing a commercial or residential refi but I've had a good experience with Wells Fargo if you're willing to use a larger bank. Not sure what the exact situation with the property is though.

Cheers,

Brian 

Post: You got your first property..now how do you get your second?

Brian MetzPosted
  • Rental Property Investor
  • Fayetteville, NC
  • Posts 65
  • Votes 43
Originally posted by @Victor Lau:
Originally posted by @Brian Metz:

Hi Victor, I'm in a similar situation, but am trying to lead-turn the problem by building a base of investors who would want to structure a partnership with me through debt or equity. As much as we want to do it alone, I think using other people's money has to be in our future to grow. I don't know if you've been able to force appreciation on your initial property, but my first one was a 6-plex and I was able to increase the equity by increasing NOI and that gave me $50K in equity to tap into.

Best of luck!

Cheers,

Brian

Thanks for your response.  Haven't purchased my 1st property yet, but just thinking beyond the first.  Is it worth it then to put all the down on one property or split it to obtain 2 properties?

I think that's just going to be situation dependent. If you think you can BRRRR it all back then maybe go for it. I still have trapped equity but can use a HELOC to tap into that equity.

Post: Favorite multi family real estate investing book?

Brian MetzPosted
  • Rental Property Investor
  • Fayetteville, NC
  • Posts 65
  • Votes 43

Definitely Joe Fairless and Theo Hicks' book. It provided the most tangible info I've read in a book, with less of the theoretical, feel good nonsense.

Cheers,

Brian

Post: So what's holding you back?

Brian MetzPosted
  • Rental Property Investor
  • Fayetteville, NC
  • Posts 65
  • Votes 43
Originally posted by @Elias Gilchrist:

The math is what is holding me back. I question my numbers. Im not sure if I have everything accounted for when trying to calculate all month expenses. That leaves me with the question of can I really afford this property.

 On my first property I utilized a handful of calculators from BP, watched YouTube videos, and read as many articles as I could. While it still wasn't perfect, using a diverse array of spreadsheets and instruction gave me some confidence as to knowing if my analysis was in the ballpark. After that, you gotta take the plunge at some point!

Cheers,

Brian