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All Forum Posts by: Bryan Hall

Bryan Hall has started 2 posts and replied 6 times.

Post: First potential investment and have some questions

Bryan Hall
Posted
  • New to Real Estate
  • South Carolina
  • Posts 6
  • Votes 3
Quote from @Roger D Jones:

Bryan,

Just so I have the basic assumptions correct this is a 10 space park with one current park owned home renting for $950 per month and 9 other unoccupied homes each in need of significant repairs- to the tune of 100k in total per the seller's estimate.  After making these repairs the plan would be to sell each of these homes for 'several thousand dollars' and collect pad rent thereafter. Current expenses are $1300 per month (water, sewer/septic, taxes (property and 10 homes) and insurance (liability and homes).   Given the above current owner is in the red every month $350 and is asking $475,000 for the park.

If I am mistaken on any of these assumptions please let me know as my comments are based on these assumptions.

From what I am seeing the seller is way out of whack with their asking price. There are two ways to value a mobile home park. CAP rate (how many real actual dollars you put in your pocket every year) and wholesale (value of the property and wholesale value of the trailers). You should never buy a park when sellers try to blend the two. Lets look at both-

CAP RATE- Currently it looks like the park as a whole is in the red every month and as such he should be paying you to take it off his hands.  In asking you to pay 475k for the park he is asking you to pay him for your futue efforts, risk and results (performa).  That is not how it works.  If he wanted full CAP rate value of the park he would have spent the 100k to keep his trailers in good repair, sold them off and taken the pad rent monthly.  

WHOLESALE- 
This is the value of the raw land, a discounted amount for the utilities and the wholesale value of that one trailer.  Given you will be spending on average 10k per trailer to rehab and then selling them for far less- they are worth nothing and due to the financial risk they are more of a liability.  

So is there an upside on this deal?- Well... it depends. Lets say your plan works flawlessly and you can rehab the 9 homes and get them sold off and you keep the one home as a POH rental. I'm not sure where you got your 'potential income of 8-9k' per month as my math has it at $950 for the rental and 9x$400 for the TOHs for a monthly gross of $4550. Less an slightly inflated monthly expense of $1600 and your at $2950 per month or $35400 per year NOI (assuming no major expenses). At a 10% cap (which is average for a mostly TOH park) the park would be valued at 354K. And since you just spent 100k rehabbing those 9 homes your at $254k purchase with YOU taking all the risk, effort and energy... plus the loss of income while you rehab and resell those 9 trailers which is going to take time.

I won't give you a final opinion on what I think it's worth but would urge caution.  Here is an analogy... I restore old muscle cars.  I get a real kick out of guys who are selling old busted up, rusted out 68 Camaros with no engine, transmission or seats and want 25k for them as they see them fully restored for 40k.  They just don't get it... 

I am just a mom and pop operator and this is just my opinion worth only the time it took me to type it out.  Best of luck

Roger

I greatly appreciate the analysis Roger. I agree with on all points and have been mulling over an offer price. I can also confirm that this park was last purchased for u see 200k 6 years ago.

also to clarify. I wouldn’t like mkt rehab and sell the units. I would either sell the units to avoid moving them and maybe make a little profit and use the lots to rent for 300-400 per month or rehabs the units and rent out for 800-900 per month. 

I do see potential in 12 months making good cash flow but it’s hard to justify the debt until that point. I am requesting seller financing and would like to see what options I could get if it’s even worth it. 

Again, Thanks so much for the detailed response. I’m still learning!

Post: New to investing in SC

Bryan Hall
Posted
  • New to Real Estate
  • South Carolina
  • Posts 6
  • Votes 3

Just introducing myself as a new potential investor in SC. I’ll be posting and asking for help regularly!

Thanks,


Bryan Hall

Post: First potential investment and have some questions

Bryan Hall
Posted
  • New to Real Estate
  • South Carolina
  • Posts 6
  • Votes 3

Thank you for the info. I have started analyze the deal and am still working on the details. 

monthly costs are roughly $1300

Potential income is between 8k-9k depending

currently only 1 lot active at 950/mnth


9 others with mobile homes in need of repair - cost of rehab of all units could be up to 100k


lot rent would go from 300-400 per without homes in this area 

seems like a pretty high upside and not very low downside to the deal. Just need to solve financing which I have no experience with mobile communities and have been reaching out to lenders/friends/family/coworkers/etc..


any suggestions would be great!

Post: First potential investment and have some questions

Bryan Hall
Posted
  • New to Real Estate
  • South Carolina
  • Posts 6
  • Votes 3

I am looking at some mobile home parks in my area I would like to puchase. Prices vary but most are 400k-1.5m ranging from 10 units to 40 units. I found a nice one listed 475k with on active unit at 950/mth and 8 empty units in need of repair. Seller suggests 100k is needed and he could be right but the lot rent alone could be 400 a mth so the units in hand could be sold for a few thousand a piece. Don’t have but maybe 15-20k cash and need ideas for making an offer closer to asking. Maybe 300k. Is it worth it if it can bring 6-8k monthly with a total 400k-500k invested. Any help is appreciated. 

Thanks so much!

Post: Possible to get hard money for a mobile home flip or BRRRR?

Bryan Hall
Posted
  • New to Real Estate
  • South Carolina
  • Posts 6
  • Votes 3
Quote from @Shawn P Kontrec:

@Daniel Anshus, interesting. I would have thought there was a market and a little would have been possible. Thanks for your input!

Any progress on this. I agree with the difficulty in getting lending but there is certainly a market for manufactured on land and a lot of these older manufactured homes and title removed and considered real property. And after a certain age or number of times being moved they cannot be moved again always and have to be demolished. I see potential in this and was raised in homes like these making it in my wheel house. 

I see the ones in rental lots and there isn’t much to be done there in my area. 

One more thing..

have you considered buying smaller lots of land and placing new or newish manufactured on it and selling? This can be profitable in my region of South Carolina as long as the price of the land is a deal as well.


Post: SC NPL for sale

Bryan Hall
Posted
  • New to Real Estate
  • South Carolina
  • Posts 6
  • Votes 3

Still available?