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All Forum Posts by: Calvin Quallis

Calvin Quallis has started 3 posts and replied 18 times.

Quote from @Issac San Miguel:
Quote from @Calvin Quallis:
Quote from @Issac San Miguel:

@Calvin Quallis

It sounds like you're more than qualified to tackle the project.  What do you currently owe on the property?

Have you had an updated appraisal completed?

Mid Renovation refi's can be cumbersome to get done.

What is your timeline like to complete? Will you be done by Memorial Day?

Lot's of things to unpack.

$1.497M owed on loan. Have not done a recent appraisal, since we’ve started the project. The goal is March/April for completion

The only potential concern is the arv 65-70%; however, because your exit strategy is the DSCR that seems approachable. Have you approached your original lender about DSCR after the rehab is complete?

I have not.
Quote from @Issac San Miguel:

@Calvin Quallis

It sounds like you're more than qualified to tackle the project.  What do you currently owe on the property?

Have you had an updated appraisal completed?

Mid Renovation refi's can be cumbersome to get done.

What is your timeline like to complete? Will you be done by Memorial Day?

Lot's of things to unpack.

$1.497M owed on loan. Have not done a recent appraisal, since we’ve started the project. The goal is March/April for completion
Quote from @Stephanie P.:
Quote from @Calvin Quallis:

Hi, 

Investor here who brought a Southampton, NY property that requires extensive repairs. Purchased hoping to BRRR into a short term rental. Purchased the property in August for $1.895M with 21% down and did a DSCR with no prepayment penalty. The property needs $600K in repairs. I thought I had repair financing in place that fell through after I started the project. The project has started with total demo, some electrical and plumbing. I still have $450K plus maybe $50K in contingency costs to finish the project. ARV is roughly $3M. Property can rent for about $250K for the Memorial Day - Labor Day season.

I’ve done much smaller scale renovations in the past (~$160K repairs and flips on $300K - $450K projects). I’ve been turned down by a few lenders who say I don’t have experience turning around such large scale projects. This is despite my many smaller projects completed, my income and I have over $650K in liquid reserves. 

Anyone know of any lenders that can help get this deal done. I am also entertaining a HELOAN on my primary to get the funds to complete this project if you know of any lenders that will do a HELOAN on a 14 acre primary property in NJ.


 I thought I had seen this scenario before.  https://www.biggerpockets.com/...

You should have taken a hard money up front instead of the DSCR loan if you were going to do the renovation (like I said in May).

Now you should go back to the beginning and get a hard money loan that includes the renovation funds, complete the renovation and then get a DSCR take out loan if you can. If you can't, you sell. The good thing about his is you will have seasoned title so it shouldn't be too hard to get DSCR financing with Air DNA data although, as I also mentioned in May, loan size is going to get a HUGE factor on this one as many lenders have contracted and reduced their max loan size.

Stephanie

Thanks Stephanie! I went the hard money route back then and was unsuccessful, hence went the DSCR route. Thanks for the advice
Quote from @Simmy Ahluwalia:

We can look at this for you.  You'll have to refinance your 1st lien debt along with securing the $500k or so left.  If you are good with that, reach out and we'll see what we can do.

Sent a message.
Quote from @Robin Simon:

how did you get a DSCR loan with $600k needed in repairs? DSCR loans generally (always?) require properties are turnkey and don't require repairs

The property was turnkey but needed updates to get the rental price I was looking for and/or to flip later on. It’s a value add project.

Hi, 

Investor here who brought a Southampton, NY property that requires extensive repairs. Purchased hoping to BRRR into a short term rental. Purchased the property in August for $1.895M with 21% down and did a DSCR with no prepayment penalty. The property needs $600K in repairs. I thought I had repair financing in place that fell through after I started the project. The project has started with total demo, some electrical and plumbing. I still have $450K plus maybe $50K in contingency costs to finish the project. ARV is roughly $3M. Property can rent for about $250K for the Memorial Day - Labor Day season.

I’ve done much smaller scale renovations in the past (~$160K repairs and flips on $300K - $450K projects). I’ve been turned down by a few lenders who say I don’t have experience turning around such large scale projects. This is despite my many smaller projects completed, my income and I have over $650K in liquid reserves. 

Anyone know of any lenders that can help get this deal done. I am also entertaining a HELOAN on my primary to get the funds to complete this project if you know of any lenders that will do a HELOAN on a 14 acre primary property in NJ.

Quote from @Kevin Woodard:

Is your intention to use this as a STR? Can you finance the renovations with the DSCR loan? If not, what is the game plan to finance the construction?


There are DSCR products that allow for refinance without seasoning if renovation was conducted. However, I'm only familiar with funding the renovation with a value-add loan then refinancing (in this case up to 80% without seasoning). If you're planning to use it as a STR, NOI would be calculated with project income from a site like AirDNA. Feel free to reach out if you have any questions.

@Kevin Woodard Yes, the goal is to use this as an STR. No, this DSCR would only be used for the purchase. I will be paying cash of about $500K for renovations.

Quote from @Stephanie P.:
Quote from @Calvin Quallis:

Hi,
Purchasing a buy and hold property in the Hamptons, NY for $1,895,000. Will put $500K in property. ARV is $3M conservatively, with a really great reno can fetch up to $3.5M. Purchase contract has no mortgage contingency and needs to close in 60 days, so decided to do a DSCR with no prepayment penalty to cash out after repairs. Was told I cannot do cash out DSCR refi because I will have no rental income yet and I've held the property for about 6 months while doing the reno.
Any suggestions on which loan I should look at for at least a 75% LTV cash out refi. BTW: I'm self employed.

@Calvin Quallis

A couple of things. The reason to do a hard money loan on this is to keep your cash in your pocket. The hard money will fund the renovation. if you do a DSCR loan, you won't get renovation money and you'll come out of pocket with the reno funds. You can use comparable rentals for the appraisal and monthly leases with every DSCR lender I know, but that's on a purchase. On a refinance, the property has to be stabilized or you'll get a reduction in LTV. If refinancing, 6 months is your bare minimum on this one. Your loan amount is going to be too high for many to consider this loan on a DSCR product. Even Deephaven, which is the lender to the lenders and has some of the highest loan amounts on DSCR has a max loan amount of $2,000,000 and a max cash out amount of $500,000. If you're going to use short term rentals for a property like this, you'll need to see comparables that are also using STR's and some AirDNA data.

This is not a slam dunk loan.

Stephanie

 @Stephanie P. Got it. Again, my concern is being stuck in a hard money loan at $20K per month, not including taxes and insurance (an additional $1,317 per month) and having difficulty getting out of the loan with just the option to sell if I can't refinance. If I took the interest only for 10 years with 30 years fixed DSCR, my PITI would be roughly $11K a month for the first 10 years. If I couldn't refinance out of it to get my cash, I could still rent and cash flow about $80K or more annually conservatively or I could sell. I'd still have the option to buy and hold, which is what I'd prefer, I just wouldn't be able to pull the cash back out immediately. If I could wait to refinance later than 6 months, do you think it might be easier for me to find a $2,250,000 cash out refi loan product at 75% LTV?

Quote from @Ryan O'Mara:

@Calvin Quallis - If you need financing for the initial purchase and rehab (not using your own cash) then a short term hard money rehab/bridge loan is what you'll need.  A long term dscr rental loan won't work.  The lender won't do that type of loan on a property you plan to rehab.  You do the rehab first, then do a long term take out loan once the rehab is done and you have cashflow (or soon will).  You need a good broker to find loan programs for you.

@Ryan O'Mara I have the $500K cash for the rehab. I need the loan to purchase the property. Then looking to cash out refi to get at least all of my renovation costs back and maybe even part of the down payment, but would be a win for me if I just got my $500K back.

Quote from @Eliott Elias:

DSCR should be immune to that seasoning period, or else it's just a regular conventional seasoning period. They usually do a rental analysis and if that comes back 1:1 then you qualify.

@Eliott Elias Thanks!