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All Forum Posts by: Curtis Gabhart

Curtis Gabhart has started 10 posts and replied 92 times.

Post: 30 unit complex or 30 sfr's - What would you choose and why?

Curtis GabhartPosted
  • Real Estate Broker
  • San Diego, CA
  • Posts 119
  • Votes 54

Are you paying cash? If not your probably not going to get financing for the homes.

It's kind of like asking what's better chocolate or vanilla

Post: Lowes

Curtis GabhartPosted
  • Real Estate Broker
  • San Diego, CA
  • Posts 119
  • Votes 54

I use home depot pro desk. They walk the job with me and have my list of items I buy. They to all the measurements including cabinets, base, case, paint etc. Even measurements for items I don't buy from them.
As long as my order is 2500 and above I get about a 20% discount.

Talking to other flippers lately though they have been going to lows and I may take my next order to them.

The items I don't get at lows or HD because they are not competitive are

Windows, moldings, flooring (Kristian I know you are in San Diego and bonded flooring has the best carpet pricing- ask for John Russell)

Right now we have a few projects going so I had one of our interns hunt down some engineered hand scraped walnut flooring for 2.50 per sq ft through craigslist).

Also when I was doing our apartment/condo conversion rehabs I would shop online for fixtures, faucets and knobs and was able to get real high end items that others were not using for GREAT prices.

Let me know how lowes treats you

Post: Partner Wanted

Curtis GabhartPosted
  • Real Estate Broker
  • San Diego, CA
  • Posts 119
  • Votes 54

Try the Norris Group in Riverside. I have done about 4 loans with them lately and I know they do LA.
Look them up online and ask for Craig.

Post: investments in San Diego

Curtis GabhartPosted
  • Real Estate Broker
  • San Diego, CA
  • Posts 119
  • Votes 54

How's those investments working out for your clients? Were they amazed?

Post: Partner Wanted

Curtis GabhartPosted
  • Real Estate Broker
  • San Diego, CA
  • Posts 119
  • Votes 54

Not that hard a decision – A Hard Money Lender, a Partner or Both?

It’s the age old question in real estate, Do I get a hard money loan or should I get partners? Some people choose to get partners because they feel that hard money loans are too expensive or to risky and other people choose to get hard money loans because they think partners are too expensive. While at the outset one may think that hard money lenders are too expensive, it may be surprising to note that they can actually turn out to be cheaper than a partner or when used with partners allow you to increase your buying activity. This is because you will be able to leverage other people’s money and will not be required to invest as much yourself. Therefore you can complete more deals if you chose to and even further improve the overall return on investment. However remember, leverage is not a good thing unconditionally, so use it carefully.

Here is a simple comparison.

Lets say a rehab deal takes 6 months with the following details:-

• Purchase Price: $200,000
• Rehab & Selling Costs: $50,000
• Sale Value: $300,000
• Partner share: 50/50
• Total Profit: $50,000
• Your Profit: $25,000
• Your Investment: $125,000
• Return On Investment: 20%
• Annualized ROI 40%

Here is the same deal if you went with a hard money lender:-

• Purchase Price: $200,000
• Rehab & Selling Costs: $50,000
• Sale Value: $300,000
• Loan Amount (65% of sale value) $195,000
• Loan Costs (4 points): $7,800
• Carrying Costs (13 PITI for 6 months) $12,675
• Profit: $29,525
• Investment: $75,475
• ROI: 39%
• Annualized ROI: 78%

As can be seen from the example above, the investment required has decreased by 40% (thus freeing up capital for other deals) while there is also a corresponding increase of almost 100% in the ROI. So if you used the balance of your funds to complete another similar deal, your ROI would turn out to be 4 times that as if you had partnered with a financier for 50% share.
Apart from the above financials which speak for themselves let’s look at some other aspects of hard money lender funding vs. partnership funding below:-

Advantages of working with Partners:-

• If they are real partners (and not just investors) they will split the work load. There could be synergy if your partner has experience and contacts in the business.
• Can close very quickly if you are paying cash
• Can do more deals than you could do by yourself.
• Usually a safer and more conservative route
However, here are the disadvantages of working with partners/investors:-
• You do most of the work, you may invest as much as they do, however you need to split the profits equally.
• There can be disagreements resulting in the opposite of synergy
• Consensus may take a longer time to reach and may cost you money
• You will be limited in the freedom of your decisions
• Legal issues & securities laws

While on the other hand here are the advantages of working with a hard money lender:-

• It usually works out cheaper than a partner on a return on your money basis
• Because of leverage you can buy more property (this is a double edged sword and can be good when making money or can be devastating in a declining market if you do not buy right).
• Potentially will need very little or no money down. It usually is based on the value of the asset.
However one needs to be wary of the following when working with a hard money lender:-
• Leverage, as mentioned above, can become a double edged sword.
• This is short term financing, usually between 6 – 24 months, and therefore may become a problem if your exit strategy is not working out and you can not find take out financing.
• If you do not have a good relationship with someone you trust and they do not fund the loan you can lose out on the deal and more importantly your credibility
• You need to be careful on who you chose to work with as Hard money lenders are notorious for being sharks, therefore it is important to get a referral.

I only choose to involve partners when I can see a clear synergy between our efforts or work with some investors that with whom I have built a good level of mutual understanding.

Many times what we do is use our funds combined with investors and hard money/private money loans to purchase properties. This allows our investors to get a better return than going out and paying cash for the property themselves and we use our expertise and time to complete the project and they collect a check.
Good luck in your search and if you need a list of money lenders feel free to drop me an email as I have an excellent list of hard money lenders which I would be open to sharing with you.

Here is a link to a real life example of a recent transaction we used a hard money loan to purchase. For comparison purposes I put a scenario of using cash.

[url]www.gabhartinvestments.com/article/hard-money-lender-a-partner-or-both/[url]

Post: Is Bird-Dogging Legal???

Curtis GabhartPosted
  • Real Estate Broker
  • San Diego, CA
  • Posts 119
  • Votes 54

If you are a contractor your subs still need to be licensed.

In california you can not even receive a referral fee on a real estate transaction if you do not have a real estate license.

There is a reason why there is licensing requirements and it is to primarily protect the consumer from people who either don't know what they are doing or unethical.

I am not a bird dog expert but much of what people do when bird dogging is not legal. If you were to put the property under contract with the right to assign it that would be legal.

I always just recommend getting a license anyways because then you don't even need to tie up your own money. Get a listing from a seller for a specified time and you can market it to the world and no one can go around you.

Interesting post and a lot of deleted ones at that, whats up with those?

Post: What Happens When you Want to Sell Your Real Estate Business?

Curtis GabhartPosted
  • Real Estate Broker
  • San Diego, CA
  • Posts 119
  • Votes 54

Your busness would be worth the CAP rate at the time yoiu sold your properties or the comparables of the properties you own.

I hope you are in that situation. Good luck.

Post: Estimates for HVAC and Water Heater

Curtis GabhartPosted
  • Real Estate Broker
  • San Diego, CA
  • Posts 119
  • Votes 54

It's for a bottom of the line central heat unit and ducting.
It is a very good price and I have used this guy on my last job to install a roof mount heat & a/c unit where we already had venting for $3000 when everyone else was $4,000 up.

I don't always go with the cheapest though, I go with what I feel is the best combo of competence, speed, my comfort level with them and price.

Post: How was your 2009?

Curtis GabhartPosted
  • Real Estate Broker
  • San Diego, CA
  • Posts 119
  • Votes 54

What did you accomplish?
1 - Retired from commercial brokerage to focus on buying distressed real estate and teaching what I have learned exclusively.I
2 - got back into buying after 2 years of being on the sidelines and purchased 6 properties since july.

Your best success?
Purchased a house for $124,000 and sold for $295,000 within 90 days. Here is my blog post on it [url]http://gabhartinvestments.com/case_study/when-i-started-buying-properties-again/

Your biggest mistake?
Not getting enough accomplished

What did you learn?
I love what I do

Did you achieve your goals?
No. becuase I have huge goals and if I acheive them it means I didn't dream big enough. Am I happy??? YES!

Post: Need a good place to find coprable sales

Curtis GabhartPosted
  • Real Estate Broker
  • San Diego, CA
  • Posts 119
  • Votes 54

Be careful of the internet sites like Zillow etc. You get what you pay for.

Find a realtor you can get your information from or get your real estate license so you can get access to the MLS.

here is a blog I wrote on why investors should get there real estate license

http://gabhartinvestments.com/articles/printing-money-with-a-real-estate-brokerage-license/

This article was published in the San Diego Daily Transcipt