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All Forum Posts by: Christopher Vrondran

Christopher Vrondran has started 4 posts and replied 18 times.

Post: Newbie in West Michigan

Christopher VrondranPosted
  • Rental Property Investor
  • Grand Rapids, MI
  • Posts 21
  • Votes 10

Hey Nick!

I’m also in the Grand Rapids area! Have you found a broker to sponsee you yet? I’m half way through my pre licensing course. I found an event on the 24th being done by Keller Williams that is for people wanting to become an agent. It’s a bit of a drive for you. It’s on the north side of GR. Send me a DM if you want anymore info. Sounds like it’s going to be a lot of fun. 

Post: 🏡 Newbie Getting Started: Grand Rapids, MI

Christopher VrondranPosted
  • Rental Property Investor
  • Grand Rapids, MI
  • Posts 21
  • Votes 10

Hey Zac! 

There is an investor meetup at Turnstiles tomorrow the 23rd at 5pm. Free to come check it out and network as well!

Post: LTR in Detroit

Christopher VrondranPosted
  • Rental Property Investor
  • Grand Rapids, MI
  • Posts 21
  • Votes 10

Hello Ryan! 

You could definitely check out Grand Rapids! It is a booming city with people constantly moving here. I'll send you a connection request and if you would like I could help as boots on the ground here. Detroit can definitely be hit or miss. You would need to have someone that knows the area very well.

If you have any questions shoot me a dm. I can try my best to answer and if I don't know the answer I can find it out.

Post: 616 Real Estate Investors Meet Up

Christopher VrondranPosted
  • Rental Property Investor
  • Grand Rapids, MI
  • Posts 21
  • Votes 10

I wish I would've seen this earier! I defiantly would have stopped in. There is also a meet up tomorrow the 23rd at Turnstiles at 5pm. Hope to see you there. 

Post: Looking for boots on the ground?

Christopher VrondranPosted
  • Rental Property Investor
  • Grand Rapids, MI
  • Posts 21
  • Votes 10

I'd be happy to help you out with your search for a boots-on-the-ground partner in the Grand Rapids area. Feel free to send me a direct message and we can discuss further details about your investment needs and how I can assist you. I can also get you in touch with some high producing agents if need be. Let me know how I can be of service!

Post: Entering real estate investing with a paid off home!

Christopher VrondranPosted
  • Rental Property Investor
  • Grand Rapids, MI
  • Posts 21
  • Votes 10

Congratulations, Courtney, on paying off your first home! That is a significant achievement, and you should be proud of yourselves.

It's great to hear that you are taking the time to update your current home and pay off any debts before moving onto the next one. This will put you in a strong financial position and give you more options when it comes to your next home.

House hacking can be an excellent way to build wealth and live more affordably, especially when you have equity in your current home. Depending on where you want to live in West Michigan, you may be able to find properties that would be good candidates for house hacking, such as duplexes or homes with separate rental units.

As you prepare for your next home purchase, it's important to consider your long-term goals and what kind of property would be the best fit for your lifestyle and financial situation. You may also want to think about working with a real estate agent who has experience with investment properties and can help you find the right property and navigate the buying process.

Overall, it sounds like you are on the right track and are making smart financial decisions. Keep up the good work, and best of luck with your next home purchase!

Post: Tenant is choosing to vacate after a notice

Christopher VrondranPosted
  • Rental Property Investor
  • Grand Rapids, MI
  • Posts 21
  • Votes 10

Hey everyone

I am just wondering if there is some sort of process that anyone has for when a tenant chooses to vacate when served a pay or vacate notice? Is there a document you use to have them relinquish their right to tenancy?

For context, this is in Michigan. 

Thanks in advanced

Post: First Real Estate Purchase - 4 plex

Christopher VrondranPosted
  • Rental Property Investor
  • Grand Rapids, MI
  • Posts 21
  • Votes 10

Investment Info:

Small multi-family (2-4 units) buy & hold investment.

Purchase price: $155,000
Cash invested: $20,000

This is a 4 unit property. Found the deal through a co-worker. The seller agreed to seller finance this deal with $15,000 down on a 3 year balloon at 5% interest. Occupancy was at 75%. The 4th unit needed cosmetic repairs. I actually bought this before even owning a personal house.

How did you find this deal and how did you negotiate it?

A co-worker's brother mentioned to my co-worker that he was thinking of selling this property because he had too much going on. He initially wanted $195K for it. I used Chris Voss' strategies from his book Never Split the Difference and I was able to get him to agree on $155K.

How did you finance this deal?

This deal was seller financed on a 3 year balloon at 5% interest.

How did you add value to the deal?

The 4th unit was vacant when I purchased this property. We are doing a light rehab by putting laminate flooring, new countertops, painted kitchen cabinets, replaced some interior doors, rehabbed the porch, and gave it a new coat of paint.

Lessons learned? Challenges?

Learned how to put together a purchase agreement and get it to title. I learned that you need to stay on top of the title company if you haven't heard back from them for a few days. When the title company ran the search, the seller and the previous owner never filled the deed stating that the last land contract had been fulfilled. This wasn't found out until 5 days til closing.

Post: Using Chris Voss’s strategy in wholesaling

Christopher VrondranPosted
  • Rental Property Investor
  • Grand Rapids, MI
  • Posts 21
  • Votes 10
Quote from @Austin Gunnerson:

I think that's a great question to start with and I'd love to see what kind of responses you get back. It's my hunch that if you catch someone that has been having a bad day/week/month with a troubling property they will jump on the opportunity to vent about it.

I'd love to see the script when you get through it, I've been considering making something similar.


  I will definitely share what I come up with. If you wanted to collaborate at all on something or even just suggestions that pop in your head feel free to message me.

Post: Using Chris Voss’s strategy in wholesaling

Christopher VrondranPosted
  • Rental Property Investor
  • Grand Rapids, MI
  • Posts 21
  • Votes 10
Quote from @Jay Hinrichs:
Quote from @Austin Gunnerson:

Hi Christopher,

Never Split the Difference is one of my favorite books, when I started utilizing calibrated questions and labeling it was a game changer for me in my sales role.

I’ll admit I haven’t used it in real estate yet but here are some ideas I came up with that should illustrate how you can use two of the main concepts.

Chris Voss defines a calibrated question as an open ended question, a question that can’t be answered with yes or no.

One example might be when reaching out to an absentee owner lead instead of asking “Would you be interested in selling property x” try “What are your plans for property x?”.

Using the latter will get them talking even if they don’t want to sell, more information is the goal.

His labeling strategy is also very useful, it’s a softer way to ask the hard why questions.

Labeling is using phrases like “It seems like” “It looks like” “It sounds like” etc..

Labeling helps demonstrate active listening and it validates their emotions.

Let’s say you put in an offer contingent on a passing inspection for the foundation and other big ticket items and they respond “We aren’t comfortable with an inspection”.

The aggressive buyer might ask the next question as they should, but the phrasing is often wrong.

Why aren’t you comfortable with an inspection?” – They may soften it up by leading with “I hope you don’t mind me asking” but this hardly softens it.

When we use why it sounds judgmental, some may get defensive.

A great way to ask this is by starting with a label and follow up with a calibrated question.

It sounds like there might be a specific reason for that, what led to that policy?”

The label “It sounds like there might be a specific reason for that” validates their decision to have that policy. And the calibrated question leads to an open ended response.

These are just 2 examples the possibilities are endless!

I’m glad you started this thread, I’m excited to see how others have implemented this.


 its really amazing how sales techniques work and are needed to close deals if you want to be a top producer.  There is a very definite method to this and you have to lead the conversation  whilst letting the other person think they are leading it.  :)   Great Car salesmen/women are masters of this.  its all about technique.. and why some are winners and some will never do anything with wholesaling or sales of RE they simply dont implement and have the skills needed. 

Like ask for the order..  you would be amazing at how many people simply cannot ask for the order.. and will just ask the client  "what do you think"  

two great lines I learned in the late 70s from RE pro's  think Glen Gary Glen Ross thats what I grew up in.

NO is ok   let them think they are taking control your just validating it. 

And ask for the order.. Expect to do business  Not maybe we can do business we expect to do business. 


I love that. Expect to do business not maybe we can do business. 

I just started a text campaign trying to evoke a “No” response. Chris Voss talks a lot about how when someone is able to answer “No” it can make them feel safe. I’m hoping to put a full cold calling and texting script built around his concepts.