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All Forum Posts by: Collin Hays

Collin Hays has started 117 posts and replied 2457 times.

Post: Negotiating w/a Property Manager

Collin Hays
#2 Short-Term & Vacation Rental Discussions Contributor
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I realized, after it was too late, that I made a confusing typo in my first post.  What I meant to type is:

”For liability and contractual reasons, we have to retain OWNERSHIP of the listings on the major platforms…”

My apologies. 




Post: Negotiating w/a Property Manager

Collin Hays
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Quote from @Anne-Marie Singer:

Newbie here. First STR property about to go live; just finished renovation. I am ready to list the property and have interviewed a couple of vacation home property managers who are pursuing the listing. They both charge 22%, which is typical in our market for high-end beach vacation rentals. I would love to hear any tips, insights, etc, from those who have worked with property managers. For example, I want to ensure that the listings on VRBO, Airbnb, and other platforms belong to us and not them, so that if/when we terminate the contract, we retain the history, reviews on our property. I don't know what I don't know, so I appreciate all of your feedback. Thank you-

 From a property manager's standpoint:

For liability and contractual reasons, we have to retain liability of the listings on the major platforms. Part of the reason you are hiring a Property Manager is to shield yourself from liability. And vice versa - the PM doesn't want to co-manage with you because ultimately, it may be present them with risk that they have no control over.

We do not have annual contracts with notice periods, etc. We offer a service agreement, and it can be ended by either party for good cause, bad cause, or no cause. If the relationship isn't working for one or both of the parties, both need to be able to pick up and move on without fuss.  In fact, we just exercised our own termination on a client about a month ago who was driving my team crazy.

You want to find out if they are getting to you in other ways besides the 22%.  Are they charging outrageous booking fees that they don't share? If so, you aren't really getting 78% of rents.  What sort of credit card fee are they charging you?  I hear of companies charging 5% for this, when their real fee is 3%.  So that's 2 percentage points more that they get from you.  

Do they upcharge repairs and maintenance?  A lot of companies mark up these items and make them profit centers. Are they allowed use of your place for a week or two per year for "marketing" purposes?  Very common.  Unscrupulous PMs use this to barter with various vendors to line their own pockets.

I knew a manager in eastern TN, still in business by the way, who had 2 weeks of use of each property per year for "marketing purposes."  He had around 40 cabins, so that's 80 weeks total of inventory that he used to barter for things for himself.  Car repairs, firewood, laundry and dry cleaning, a side of beef from the local grocer, lawn care, you name it.  He is living fat and happy just off of those 80 weeks he barters.

And if you think PMs are dishonest, you ought to see some of the homeowner clients I've come across!  ;)

Good luck!

Post: Sharing tax benefits with a partner/investor

Collin Hays
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This sounds like a CPA's dream, and probably a lawyer's. They are going to get most of your profit before you even start.

Post: STR License & Kansas City, MO Regulations

Collin Hays
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What about all of the towns in and around KC Metro?  Olathe, Shawnee Mission, Lenexa, etc. 

Post: Insurance Variety for STR

Collin Hays
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Running a vacation rental is effectively running a hotel. There are different risks associated with this, which is why a homeowners policy won’t work, and if you try it, they may well not pay if you have a claim.  Vacation rental insurance is its own market, and there are several insurers in this space.  Proper is probably the largest national brokerage, but there are others.  CBIZ also brokers this insurance nationally. 

Post: Paying Workers (Cleaner, handyman)

Collin Hays
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I would just venmo contractors after they are done and they shoot you a few photos.  Once you gain a level of trust with them, you will probably skip the photos.  Keep in mind that are you obligated to send a 1099 for any contractor that you pay over $600 in a year. Not a big deal, but you will need a W-9 for each one, and it's best to get that out of the way first.  

Finding contractors isn't too hard.  I would start with the Galveston talk FB page and work my way from there.  I am sure there is a community FB page of vacation rental owners in Galveston - it will just take some scratching. Her is the Galveston Talk page:

(2) Galveston Talk | Facebook

Post: Doorbell Outside Camera Recs

Collin Hays
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Quote from @Jules Aton:
Quote from @Collin Hays:

Ring. But I wouldn’t put one on a rental. 


Thank you, why? This is for a STR.


 Unless you are planning to surveil your guests, I don’t know what purpose it would serve. 

Post: Doorbell Outside Camera Recs

Collin Hays
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Ring. But I wouldn’t put one on a rental. 

Post: What Hosting software do you use

Collin Hays
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For a few rentals, I would recommend sticking with VRBO. If you really want direct bookings, I recommend VacationRentalDesk.com for a small portfolio. Their tools allow you to set up your own direct booking website, and they include all features needed to manage your properties, including credit card processing.  

Post: Urgent: Need STR Market Advice to Slash Capital Gains Taxes – $250K Ready to Invest!

Collin Hays
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Allowing tax code to be the primary driver of your investment decisions is never a good strategy. Cart before the horse defined.