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All Forum Posts by: Jason E. Smith

Jason E. Smith has started 3 posts and replied 192 times.

Post: Is every area rentable?

Jason E. SmithPosted
  • Contrarian Investor
  • Greensboro, NC
  • Posts 219
  • Votes 174

Hey Aris, The simple answer to your question is yes, they are rentable. The six dollar question is at what monthly rate? I’m sure you are confident that at $100 a month you’d have a line of applications and at $2,000 a month each they probably wouldn’t rent. So this is a pro of single family residential, as long as it has a kitchen, bathroom and bedroom it will rent. It gets much trickier when you get into commercial space. Your best bet to get a good rental estimate is to call three potential property managers and ask them what they think it will rent for. Also Zillow provides a rental estimate. Then a rule of thumb is pick what you think will rent for, put it on the market and if it doesn’t rent in five weeks drop it five percent.

All of that being said I’ll give two more pieces of guidance. First is your about to buy a more difficult time of the year. Most people move say March till about July while kids are out of school. So vacant rentals are a bit more challenging to fill from about August till about February.

Another concern I have is two critical things you said. You said the house is built in 1930's and you think it will rent at 1%. Has the place been gutted and rebuilt? New electrical, new plumbing, new HVAC, etc. in the past five years? Because if not, I hate to be the bearer of bad news but it won't cash flow at 1%, I promise. Older properties have greater operating expenses. More electrical problems, more plumbing issues, etc. Brand new class A can be ran about 35-40% operating expenses, class B you're looking more like 50% and the 1930's property I'd say your operating expenses if you own it over a ten year period will average out to 60%. Keep in mind when I say operating expense I'm strictly referring to maintenance, management, taxes, insurance and CapEx, this does not include debt service. So if you take a conservative estimate of what the property will rent for, minus sixty percent then deduct your debt service, you'll get a realistic cash flow number. Hope that helps. Good luck!

Post: Investing in NC, Upcoming areas

Jason E. SmithPosted
  • Contrarian Investor
  • Greensboro, NC
  • Posts 219
  • Votes 174

I've owned single family in Winston area and know that market and the rest of the Triad well.  I'm not familiar with RDU area nor mobile home parks.  Let me know if there's anything I can do to help.

Post: Investing in NC, Upcoming areas

Jason E. SmithPosted
  • Contrarian Investor
  • Greensboro, NC
  • Posts 219
  • Votes 174

Hey Geetha,  what kind of properties are you looking for?  

Post: Crawl Space Encapsulation Recommendation, Johnston County

Jason E. SmithPosted
  • Contrarian Investor
  • Greensboro, NC
  • Posts 219
  • Votes 174

Hey Jon, wise move to reach out on this one. I was taken advantage of on mold remediation a few years ago and these subjects I definitely think unsuspecting people can be taken advantage of. I would call the county inspectors office first, tell them the scope of work you are looking to complete with a contractor and ask if a permit will need to be pulled. If a permit needs to be pulled that will give you a way of seeing how detail oriented contractors are. I’ve seen advertisements for a company called Tar Heel basement systems, I haven’t personally used them but have seen them advertised as an option. I used JR French with 360 contractor services for some crawl space work in Charlotte, I would call him and ask if he does work in your area because I know he covers a large territory and he’s always treated me right. I would get a minimum of three or more quotes and you’ll begin getting a good idea of what’s good value. Best of luck!

Post: Up and Coming Neighborhoods Greenville SC and Charlotte NC

Jason E. SmithPosted
  • Contrarian Investor
  • Greensboro, NC
  • Posts 219
  • Votes 174

Hey Brian, Connect with @Kevin Stringari and Kathryn Cook-Crespo over at Bottom line reality and they can help.

Post: Anyone interested in a happy hour In Winston Salem, NC?

Jason E. SmithPosted
  • Contrarian Investor
  • Greensboro, NC
  • Posts 219
  • Votes 174

Alex, Sorry but we won't be able to make it tonight!  Hopefully you have a great turn out!  Keep us up to date with anymore meetups and we'll try to attend!  Sorry we won't be able to meet tonight!  

Post: 30 Year Fannie Mae Rental Refi

Jason E. SmithPosted
  • Contrarian Investor
  • Greensboro, NC
  • Posts 219
  • Votes 174

Hey Nick, I highly recommend Ruth Hudspeth with Fairway mortgage in Winston.  Good luck!  

Post: Cap rates in North Carolina

Jason E. SmithPosted
  • Contrarian Investor
  • Greensboro, NC
  • Posts 219
  • Votes 174

Jon, As Russell Grey would say “If you don’t like the answers you are getting, ask a better question.” I think I understand your question but I’ll try and shed some light on why your question may need a bit of calibrating and why you might not be getting the responses you were hoping for.

In all reality CAP rates really don't apply to valuing single family (including 2-4 unit residential multifamily). Chris gave some great reason, I'll give my two cents too.

First, if you find a single family listed as an investment and the realtor gives a CAP rate, send me their financial calculations of how they arrived at that CAP rate. Then I'll share with you an apartment community statement and how CAP rate applies to their valuation and you'll see it's not even the same world.

When valuing single family they are valued based on price per square foot and comp's. One reason is because the majority of people transacting single family (and the purpose it's built) are buying to live in the property. So Suzy homemaker can pay way more for a property with beautiful colors and the perfect swing-set for her kids, than you can pay from a cash flow perspective. I sold a house in Ardmore (well known neighborhood in Winston Salem) a couple years ago. The home had been tenant occupied for nine years and looked rough. A five minute conversation with my realtor showed another property similar condition and square footage had been sitting on the market for several months and wasn't selling. A cute little home just down the street with almost half the square footage sold in two days because it was move in ready. I would have sold the home for $100k, someone could have invested $20k or less and it would have been worth $150k. But the majority of people in single family can't see the potential. So I did just that, I put $20k in it and it sold for $150k in a week. And none of the valuation was based on how much it would rent for. This is another complete contradiction to commercial property. Where we as buyers walk in, see dated carpet, see old cabinets and see mis-management, we begin salivating because we know we can push NOI which then directly improves valuation. A great example is another investor I know purchased a property, re-negotiated the cable contract, signed a piece of paper and the property was worth $600k more with the stroke of a pen. I'm not saying that can't be done in single family, but I've never seen a cable contract change the value of a single family.

Third example of why single family is so different from commercial is because you could buy a single family next week, get a thirty year loan and the only time you interact with the lender is at or before the closing table. Once you own the property it’s your responsibly to pay the mortgage and the lender doesn’t really care how you do that. Seriously, you could sell crack and as long as you pay your mortgage they don’t care. In commercial it’s almost like a marriage with your lender. They will have a say, if not control, who you chose for property management. They will inspect the property every year and tell you what you need to repair and they will tell you when you can sell it and if you chose to sell it earlier or later than their preference their will be penalty costs (this is mainly because your loan becomes a derivative investment on the lenders balance sheet).

In summary, capital flows into commercial real estate as an investment seeking a return. To best demonstrate what the current market is willing to pay for streams of income the use of CAP rates are applied to show what recent buyers are willing to pay for streams of income. Nobody buys a 400 unit apartment property because they need a place to live. But they buy a house because they need a place to live. So because NOI isn't applicable to most single family transactions, price per square foot and comp's are mostly used when valuing single family.

Post: Cap rates in North Carolina

Jason E. SmithPosted
  • Contrarian Investor
  • Greensboro, NC
  • Posts 219
  • Votes 174

We run two real estate investment strategies in parallel. We still invest in residential multifamily built 2000 or newer in markets with larger quantities of these available to consolidate management companies. These will be in A or B areas. We also syndicate 150+ unit apartment properties which are class B or C. Typically in this space existing class A or AA sells to Lifeco/insurance companies looking to park ten’s or hundred’s of millions in safe low return (~4%). Since we syndicate, we offer an 8% pref return and a 70/30 split to our investors, which typically isn’t found in A or AA (Core/Core+), but rather B or C value add. The only exception to that is a friend of mine built several class A properties because it was cheaper to build A than to buy B or C. The later in the cycle we get the riskier that strategy becomes though in my opinion. The FED can only manipulate the market so long, eventually reality will catch up one way or another.

Post: Cap rates in North Carolina

Jason E. SmithPosted
  • Contrarian Investor
  • Greensboro, NC
  • Posts 219
  • Votes 174

Jon, If you google CBRE cap rates you can find an interactive map on CBRE website. Using that map you can select your property type, subtype and class. After you've made those selections you can hover over various cities to see CAP rates (I believe the latest data is H2 2019, and the site isn't the most mobile friendly so it's better on a desktop). Lately syndicators have been "winning" deals in Charlotte NC by paying seventy five basis points under market CAP.