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All Forum Posts by: Elbert O.

Elbert O. has started 7 posts and replied 32 times.

Post: Kitchen/Bathrooms or A/C?

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Quote from @Jonathan Klemm:

Hey @Elbert O. - I think @paul de luca summoned up my thoughts....use the data first to determine the right move, but my hypothesis is below....

I would for sure go with the kitchen and bath!  While window units aren't ideal it is acceptable here in Chicago.  I'd wait until you can do a full forced air system with a condenser instead of mini splits.  Everyone thinks mini-splits are the way to go until they do some serious research on them.

Thanks @Jonathan Klemm!  HVAC is definitely in the backlog 

Post: Kitchen/Bathrooms or A/C?

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Many thanks to everyone in this thread, this is really great feedback. It can be tough trying to make these decisions as an out of state investor, I've honestly heard opinions all across the spectrum from both folks in and out of the area.  I think I'm going to proceed with the kitchen / bath reno and put the mini split in the backlog for now.

Post: Kitchen/Bathrooms or A/C?

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Quote from @Corby Goade:

When I am making these decisions, I like to base it on imagining I am about to move in to that unit and what would be more important to me. 

This is totally my thinking as well.  When I did the walk through, it was a pretty warm day and the units felt like a sauna.  The biggest costs are from the labor and having to run lines to the second floor, it's actually kind of a tall building.

Thanks!

Post: Kitchen/Bathrooms or A/C?

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Quote from @Richard F.:
Aloha,

If the building is 100 years old, and you already know that some significant wiring will need to be run for AC, odds are ALL of the wiring needs to be updated. Rather than risking overloads and fire due to who knows what kind of repairs and extensions that have been done over the past 100 years, I would look at updating the wiring completely. Old systems can be constant problems due to the sheer amount of electrical gadgets and small appliances found in most homes. This can affect your Tenants, potentially damaging their modern electronics.  With knob and tube, it is not uncommon to find the wiring incorrectly connected to romex with no attention to correct polarity, and of course you have no separate ground which is your primary safety path. Troubleshooting old systems can be time consuming. Correcting improper wiring is also time consuming. Better to completely update now, preparing for AC and other upgrades 2 - 4 years in the future.

Your Insurance company is likely to require an update at some point, better to do so on YOUR schedule. A properly permitted upgrade with new panels would probably actually lower your premiums if it does currently have knob and tube in substantial areas...or old timey fuses.

You can look at other options for a shorter term cosmetic update of the bathrooms and kitchens to help increase rents. Budget for a long term upgrade over the next 3 - 5 years.
Actually it looks like the electrical won't be the biggest issue, the panels are in decent shape and can support 240v.  One of the bigger costs is having to run the copper wiring and communication lines, this was quoted at $4k alone.

Post: Kitchen/Bathrooms or A/C?

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@Elbert O. The question is "how much will the rent increase?".  

The way to analyze this is to consider the cost to renovate. Then how much will the rent increas for a years time. If the rent will go up $125 a month, that is $1500 a year. That mean your return on investment for the $15,000 AC , gives you a ROI of 10%

15,000 cost/1500 year income = 10%

You need to get a better handle on how much the AC will really cost. $15,000 seems really high to  me also. Then a better handle on how much the rent increase might be. Personaly I would want a much better return on my investment then 10% for renovations. 

Interesting, those were my exact calculations but I thought 10% might be worth it.  Will keep shopping around, looks like I can get the hardware and materials for $5k alone so $10k seems a little high for labor.  Thanks!

Post: Kitchen/Bathrooms or A/C?

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@Elbert O. I would ask the PM which will bring a bettter ROI. You can put in a few window AC units for a lot less then $15k. Is that acceptable in your area? It is in Baltimore.

PM thinks a/c will increase rent.  It’s a 100 year old building, they’ll need to run copper wiring and electrical.

Post: Kitchen/Bathrooms or A/C?

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I have a 4 unit multifamily in Chicago and would like to upgrade the vacant unit.  The unit is large (1750 sq ft) and is a 3bd/1.5 bath, but the building is old and the units don’t have a/c or dishwasher.  PM thinks it can rent out for $1650.

So, kitchen/bathroom or mini split a/c?  Have gotten a bunch of quotes for each and both options will cost between $15 to $20k.

Post: For those who self-manage at a distance, how do you manage keys?

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I manage our mid-term rental from about 2hrs away with a combo of wifi lock and lockbox for safety (the U-tec lock was a little twitchy at first but has been fine since).

Post: Looking to buy a 3-4 unit multifamily complex in near Evanston, IL.

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Quote from @Islam Hussein:

Thanks Zachary! Any recommendations for a real estate agent?

Hit up @Dan Nelson

Post: Looking for window restoration contractors

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Hello, my building has original wood windows and I'd like to get them repaired and restored for one unit.  They're pretty old and use a sash and a few of them could use some wood restoration.

Thanks!