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All Forum Posts by: Jason Golladay

Jason Golladay has started 3 posts and replied 11 times.

Post: New member from Kentucky

Jason GolladayPosted
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Originally posted by "dus22":
Hey Captain! Where about are you from down there? I have been looking at a lot of schools in the south east for graduate school and UK is one of them! If there is a lot of cash flow the program will look real good!

I am in the Louisville area. Good luck in your search for a graduate school. You will find many great schools here.

Post: Negative cash flow...please review

Jason GolladayPosted
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Originally posted by "Jeff_Tumbarello":
Originally posted by "FDCaptain":
I am new to the forum and would appreciate some outside insight.

My wife and I are in the process of buying a 4 plex apartment building. We have been landlords before (although single family) and my question is basically a financial one. The four plex is an easy decision for us...5 minutes from our home and well maintained with 2 long term tenants. Even considering vacancy rates and maintenance/repairs the property should cash flow enough to pay off itself in about 12 to 14 years. We do not need the cash flow for income now. That is putting 10% down.

So here is the caveat, behind the four plex is a duplex offered by the same seller. Maintaining both next to each other would be ideal. However the duplex has a negative cash flow. Both properties together would still cash flow positively but not enough to facilitate much of an early pay off. The duplex is also well maintained and has even longer term tenants.

Of course the question is do you buy negative cash flow property? I like the idea of the property paying itself off early. I would rather not put any other income towards the early pay off of the real estate.

I have done some market research in the surrounding area and it seems the rents are on par with other properties.

Will a duplex appreciate more than a 4 plex?

I plan to hold my properties long term and would like them to be paid off when I retire in approximately 13 or so years. I will be managing the properties and can handle all but major mechanical repairs.

Thank you for your opinions and advice.


divide your reserves by the neg. cash throw off, you will know the day you go broke. :shock:
How much is business worth that does not make money? :protest:
Where are you located at? If its a peak and valley type market, you had better have a PHD in market timing. If you are in a midwest type market, you should NEVER do this.
Please feel free to use this to get a firmer grip on your deal. With the twists and spins of the current world, I would not buy an alligator right now. Leave that for the upswinging markets :idea:

Thank you very much.

Post: Negative cash flow...please review

Jason GolladayPosted
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Originally posted by "MikeOH":
No, I have my rentals divided into separate LLCs by risk, each having about 10 -12 rentals. It is extremely cumbersome to have a separate LLC for each property if you're going to own a bunch of them.

Mike

I understand that. Thanks.

Post: Negative cash flow...please review

Jason GolladayPosted
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Originally posted by "MikeOH":

I'm a firm believer in a multi-layered asset protection strategy. Therefore, I would suggest holding your properties in LLC's and of course, having insurance.

If you look at most insurance policies, you'll discover that they don't cover many of the things that tenants like to sue for. For example, insurance doesn't usually cover lead paint, mold, asbestos, and other environmental factors.

That depends on your goal. Start with your goal and work backwards to determine how many rentals you need.

Good Luck,

Mike

Do you put each property in a separate LLC?

Post: Negative cash flow...please review

Jason GolladayPosted
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What about holding rentals in an LLC? Will an umbrella policy adequately cover me if not?

Also what is the opinion on using cash flow to pay off the property early. Should I use the cash flow for more investments?

There seems to be alot of varying opinions.

Thanks.

Post: Negative cash flow...please review

Jason GolladayPosted
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Originally posted by "azlandlord":
Four plex sounds great! Make an offer on the duplex at a price that makes you money and see if they take it. So many buyer's markets now and chances are good they have a financial need or wouldn't try to sell in this market. Make an offer with an attached financial explanation to back it up.

What do they owe on the duplex? Maybe the price they are trying to get has something to do with that and it might not work for them otherwise (but not your problem) or they would need to do a short sale.

If it doesn't work out just buy the four plex.

The seller was widowed several years ago and no longer wants to be a landlord by herself. I have discussed the "numbers" of the duplex with her and there is a possibility of a price reduction. The sellers does not owe anything on the properties and she did not understand that with my debt service the duplex is not a deal for me....she just knows that paid for it makes her money.

Thanks again.

Post: Negative cash flow...please review

Jason GolladayPosted
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Originally posted by "MikeOH":
Pretend for a moment that the duplex was located a few blocks away instead of next to the 4-plex. Would you consider buying it with a negative cash flow? Would you buy the 4-plex with a negative cash flow?

The answer to me is simply NO! I would not buy a property that loses money!

Mike

Good perspective....dont believe I would.

Post: Negative cash flow...please review

Jason GolladayPosted
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Thank you for your replies. Here is some more information.

The duplex property has a low return rate. At current rents the property would have a 5.8% Cap. Rate w/ 8% vacancy and moderate repair/maintenance expenses. It would take 30% down ($37,500) for the property to break even w/ the above stated variables and a 30 year loan.
A little market research on my part shows the rents to be on par with other units in the surrounding units.

The four plex on the other hand w/ 10% down ($15,000) has a Cap. Rate of 9.55% and cash flows $4,600 per year with a 30 year loan. This is also with 8% vacancy and moderate repair/maintenance expenses.

Once again thanks for all replies.

Post: Negative cash flow...please review

Jason GolladayPosted
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I am new to the forum and would appreciate some outside insight.

My wife and I are in the process of buying a 4 plex apartment building. We have been landlords before (although single family) and my question is basically a financial one. The four plex is an easy decision for us...5 minutes from our home and well maintained with 2 long term tenants. Even considering vacancy rates and maintenance/repairs the property should cash flow enough to pay off itself in about 12 to 14 years. We do not need the cash flow for income now. That is putting 10% down.

So here is the caveat, behind the four plex is a duplex offered by the same seller. Maintaining both next to each other would be ideal. However the duplex has a negative cash flow. Both properties together would still cash flow positively but not enough to facilitate much of an early pay off. The duplex is also well maintained and has even longer term tenants.

Of course the question is do you buy negative cash flow property? I like the idea of the property paying itself off early. I would rather not put any other income towards the early pay off of the real estate.

I have done some market research in the surrounding area and it seems the rents are on par with other properties.

Will a duplex appreciate more than a 4 plex?

I plan to hold my properties long term and would like them to be paid off when I retire in approximately 13 or so years. I will be managing the properties and can handle all but major mechanical repairs.

Thank you for your opinions and advice.

Post: REI question....

Jason GolladayPosted
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I am new to the forum and would appreciate some outside insight.

My wife and I are in the process of buying a 4 plex apartment building. We have been landlords before (although single family) and my question is basically a financial one. The four plex is an easy decision for us...5 minutes from our home and well maintained with 2 long term tenants. Even considering vacancy rates and maintenance/repairs the property should cash flow enough to pay off itself in about 12 to 14 years. We do not need the cash flow for income now. That is putting 10% down.

So here is the caveat, behind the four plex is a duplex offered by the same seller. Maintaining both next to each other would be ideal. However the duplex has a negative cash flow. Both properties together would still cash flow positively but not enough to facilitate much of an early pay off. The duplex is also well maintained and has even longer term tenants.

Of course the question is do you buy negative cash flow property? I like the idea of the property paying itself off early. I would rather not put any other income towards the early pay off of the real estate.

I have done some market research in the surrounding area and it seems the rents are on par with other properties.

Will a duplex appreciate more than a 4 plex?

I plan to hold my properties long term and would like them to be paid off when I retire in approximately 13 or so years. I will be managing the properties and can handle all but major mechanical repairs.

Thank you for your opinions and advice.

Sorry should have posted under deal analysis!