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All Forum Posts by: Herm M.

Herm M. has started 42 posts and replied 231 times.

Post: Making offers on short sales "subject to finding an end-buyer."

Herm M.
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  • Real Estate Investor
  • NorCal, CA
  • Posts 273
  • Votes 43

^ I can't put an interest rate restriction in my A-B contract because that is supposed to be a cash offer (funded by transactional lender).

I think this is the way I'm going to try it. I'm going to have the end buyer put up the deposit for the A-B transaction, In actuality, they are putting the money as a deposit for the B-C contract....but I will use their funds for the A-B contract. That way, if I need to forfeit my deposit because I want out of the contract (because my end buyer can't close), it's the end buyer's loss.

And actually now that I think about it, I thought it was Justin who gave me that advice about the end-buyer contingency in the B-C contract.

Also, I've spoke with about 4 title companies in my area, and none of them are willing to do a back-to-back close.

Post: Making offers on short sales "subject to finding an end-buyer."

Herm M.
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  • Real Estate Investor
  • NorCal, CA
  • Posts 273
  • Votes 43
Originally posted by Stephen McKee:
WOW, that offer would end up in the circular file. A very experiences agent I know (1000+ shorts in 30+ years) writes a preliminary offer for every listing. She checks the comps and submits an offer from Joe Buyer at a realistic value to get the process rolling. The bank then approves the sale, orders the appraisal, and counters the offer. She then lists it in the MLS for the banks APPROVED counter offer price. After she finds a new willing and able buyer she resubmits the new offer (same terms) and informs the bank that the old buyer has moved on. It now only take 2 weeks to get an approval and the buyer closes with very few bumps in the road.

So...in the event that you actually get a short sale approved at an investor price, you better have a buyer and he better be paying you outside of escrow. A double escrow on a short sale is a great way to waste a lot of your time.

This is a back-to-back closing, not a double closing. Well from what I understand, a double-close involves the C buyers funding closing both transactions. And a back-to-back involves each party providing their own funding (this is where the transactional funding is used for the 'B' party).

Post: Making offers on short sales "subject to finding an end-buyer."

Herm M.
Posted
  • Real Estate Investor
  • NorCal, CA
  • Posts 273
  • Votes 43
Originally posted by nationwidepi:
While Jon's answer was a bit on the comical side, it was also accurate. You CAN NOT assign REO's or short sales and that clause you mentioned is an attempt to do so, just in other words. The banks are not stupid (at least not as far as that clause is concerned) so if you make offers on a short sale and intend on re-selling to an end buyer, you had better find another way to do so. That clause just wont work.

More importantly, Who instructed you to use such a clause?

I'm 99% sure that I read advice on BP somewhere. This is the place where I've been doing all my research and learning, so it couldn't of been anywhere else.

Post: Making offers on short sales "subject to finding an end-buyer."

Herm M.
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  • Real Estate Investor
  • NorCal, CA
  • Posts 273
  • Votes 43

So I've read that we need to put a contingency in our offer to the short-sale lender. This contingency will say something along the lines of "this contract is valid if, and only if, the investor (buyer) is able to find an end-buyer for the property."

That way, we can get out of the contract if the end-buyer can't close the transaction.

Is this accurate?

Assuming it is....what is the rejection rate of these offers? How likely is it that the short-sale lender will accept this type of offer?

The A-B transaction will be funded by a transactional lender.

The end-buyer needs to be approved for a conventional loan first, of course. So is it a good idea to include their loan approval and/or credit report with the A-B offer, showing the short-sale lender that there is a serious end-buyer who is qualified? Will that help get the offer accepted?

And damn, am I the only one who likes creating threads in this forum??

Post: Is there a list of lenders that are okay with A-B and B-C?

Herm M.
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  • Real Estate Investor
  • NorCal, CA
  • Posts 273
  • Votes 43

^ are all those numbers up to date? So there's actually banks out there giving out purchase loans to people with a 620 score at 95% CLTV?

Post: Is there a list of lenders that are okay with A-B and B-C?

Herm M.
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  • Real Estate Investor
  • NorCal, CA
  • Posts 273
  • Votes 43

Actually I see the thread with the list of C lenders....so let's change this topic to address only the following question:

What short-sale lenders will allow a "B" buyer to flip the property to a "C" buyer with no ownership seasoning requirement?

Post: Is there a list of lenders that are okay with A-B and B-C?

Herm M.
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  • Real Estate Investor
  • NorCal, CA
  • Posts 273
  • Votes 43

Okay so I understand that FHA wants 90 day seasoning from the current owner in order for them to approve a loan for the end buyer.

Can we make a list of short-sale lenders who are okay with the B buyer selling at any point? Which ones are okay with back-to-back closing?

Also, which lenders don't have a problem with the end-buyer financing a home that was just recently sold A-B?

I have a couple buyers that I need to qualify for a home. I will find the home for 260 or so, and use a bridge lender to flip it for 300k+. I want to know which lenders to apply my end-buyer with.

Also, there's a couple properties (uncles') that I am going to try to negotiate a low approval and find an end-buyer for. The first property has a first and second lien both held by Chase. The other property has only one lien, held by ING.

Will any of these lenders have a problem with an ABC flip?

Post: anyone getting BOA approvals on their short sales?

Herm M.
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  • Real Estate Investor
  • NorCal, CA
  • Posts 273
  • Votes 43

^ so we can't use a transactional lender if BofA is the short-sale lender?

Post: I Need Help Structuring a Short Sale Offer

Herm M.
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  • Real Estate Investor
  • NorCal, CA
  • Posts 273
  • Votes 43

^ got it. I was under the assumption that the OP is a realtor...so I was thinking he was just going to have to pay the listing agent in the first transaction.

Post: Can someone point me in the right direction....

Herm M.
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  • Real Estate Investor
  • NorCal, CA
  • Posts 273
  • Votes 43

^ Thanks for covering all the bases. I've actually already set this realtor up with my uncle, so I might just walk-through this one with her and convince her to do 50-50 on this one....and then the next one I'll try on my own.

Any references to these transactional lenders? Are they just hard-money guys who charge 5% or so?