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All Forum Posts by: Hyeseong Park

Hyeseong Park has started 22 posts and replied 63 times.

Post: Question about the best loan I can get for refinancing

Hyeseong ParkPosted
  • Rental Property Investor
  • Philadelphia, PA
  • Posts 67
  • Votes 15
Quote from @Account Closed:

@Caroline Gerardo advice is great.

Also, if you don’t want smokers to smoke in your house, you have to mention that in the lease. 

I’d talk about that in person with everyone as they come to see it. It can be listed as just part of the features of the house. 


 Thanks for the advice! I think smoking is crucial. 

Post: Question about the best loan I can get for refinancing

Hyeseong ParkPosted
  • Rental Property Investor
  • Philadelphia, PA
  • Posts 67
  • Votes 15
Quote from @Caroline Gerardo:

There are lenders who will do what you want but they charge more upfront and in prepay to cover the possible loss.

Cancel the listing, get it earning income with an excellent tenant and wait two and a half more months to start the cash out refinance.


 Thanks for the advice. As a first time investor, I just don't know how to start finding a good tenant. Do you know any tips for finding a good tenant in my area? Just want to know if I need to find a realtor to promote my house for renting out, if I am a beginner. 

Post: Question about the best loan I can get for refinancing

Hyeseong ParkPosted
  • Rental Property Investor
  • Philadelphia, PA
  • Posts 67
  • Votes 15
Quote from @Caroline Gerardo:

It costs a lender $11000 to set up a loan they do not want you to continue to try and sell and pay them off early as they lose money.


 so I guess my best option is to wait until 6 months seasoning and get the best deal with a good lender by canceling the list. 

Post: Question about the best loan I can get for refinancing

Hyeseong ParkPosted
  • Rental Property Investor
  • Philadelphia, PA
  • Posts 67
  • Votes 15
Quote from @Caroline Gerardo:

Many lenders are not going to like that you listed for sale in MLS.

Some nonQM lenders will add a prepayment penalty because of being listed and you need a rental agreement and deposit Before you close. They will require the listing cancelled you can't do both at the same time.

If it didn't sell, then the value is less than you think. Get the comparables to provide to the appraiser- sold last three months, similar type and size past three months.

Yeah of course I need to cancel the listing I think once I need to do refi. But didn't know if they add a prepayment penalty due to being listed! trying to drop it down by $1k each and checking buyers' needs. Thanks for the advice btw!

Post: Question about the best loan I can get for refinancing

Hyeseong ParkPosted
  • Rental Property Investor
  • Philadelphia, PA
  • Posts 67
  • Votes 15
Quote from @Account Closed:

Hi @Hyeseong Park, from what I understand of your purchase, it was under your name not a LLC, right?

If so, and since you live in PA, you can check S&T Bank or First National Bank and see what they can do.   

I looked in DSCR loans, and they were expensive! One wanted $37,000, another $26,000 and the last $9950 all so I could get the $180,000 I need to finish my rehab on a rental loan. Also, they varied in term from six months to a year. So, if I the work was not done in the stated terms, they would get the property. I know you have finished your rehab so this isn't a consideration for you.

Ideally that would seem to be enough time.  But, in my area, work moves slowly.  So, that wasn't a great option as the stress I would be under with no control would have been astronomical.  

First National Bank gave me a loan that I got from the equity on my current house, $108,500 for $0 out of my pocket.  There were no fees, points, nothing.  

S&T Bank is giving me the remaining loan, $92,000 for a $90 appraisal fee.  This is coming from the equity in my rental.  

I've got good credit, so that helps, but you have a finished, ready to go house!  First National Bank would have given me a loan on the rental had it been livable.  So, I'm sure you could get a good loan from them since yours is livable.  And, it will probably cost you nothing.  

Did I mention my interest rate from First National Bank is at 5.39%?

I called lots of banks, hard money lenders and brokers and none could compare to these two in my area.  

Make certain to pull the amount of money out that the rent can cover, along with taxes, insurance, maintenance and capital savings.  So, in essence, that loan and the care of the house will be paid for by the renter.  The money you pull out from the loan can then be used to buy another house!

By the way, WAY TO GO!  You did it!  You bought a house with cash!  You fixed it up with cash!  You've created a free and clear source of revenue!  OUTSTANDING!  

You must be so proud of yourself!  WELL DONE!

Thanks! I will also check out S&T Bank & FIRST NATIONAL BANK too

Post: Question about the best loan I can get for refinancing

Hyeseong ParkPosted
  • Rental Property Investor
  • Philadelphia, PA
  • Posts 67
  • Votes 15
Quote from @Jay Hurst:
Quote from @Hyeseong Park:
Quote from @Jay Hurst:
Quote from @Hyeseong Park:

Hello, 

I recently bought a distressed property at the end of June (6/27/23) for flipping as my cash only and I just finished rehabbing it using my cash only and put it on the MLS market currently. But it seems like selling has not been going well. (It's been 14 days).

So I was thinking of a plan B if things don't go well, which is refinancing and I would like to know if I can get any good loan option for refinancing as my house has been owned only 4 months so far. No tenants now but I'm planning on renting it, once I will get refinancing. What loan is the best option for me? As I bought & rehabbed it as my CASH only, I would like to know if there is any good loan for going off new appraisal value, not purchase price + rehab, without any seasoning condition better than people who have mortgages on their investment properties.


 Can we put some numbers on it? It will make the examples a bit easier. If so, what price did you pay for the property?  And what do you think it is worth today? assume single family? 

 Yes of course,

My scenario is as follows:

-Purchase Price: $59,000 (but I flipped this house after buying it so now it can be worth between 150~160k based on my realtor) . It is in PA.

-Rehab price: $25,000

-Market Rent: $1,300
-Property Taxes: $1,324
-Annual Insurance premium: $1,200
-HOA fees: N/A
-Number of units: 1 single family house
-Estimated Credit Score: 690-700


 ok, so you have a few options:

1. delayed financing will let you use the new improved value but only allow you to take out what you paid for the property plus closing costs or 75% loan to value which ever is lower. This is often fine because the spread is not usually as big as yours but this would limit you to 59k plus costs here.

2. A double close.  The 12 month conventional seasoning is for cash out only, NOT rate/term. so what we do is give you a cash out loan at 75% in the form of a short term bridge loan out of our own pocket, our money our rules. We then turn around and refi you using the same appraisal and these are no issues because it is a rate/term refi. Gets your cash out and your long term financing with NO pre-payment penalty in place. 

3. A DCSR option with 6 months seasoning. The down side here is that you will almost assuredly have a pre-payment penalty. This can be VERY expensive when the bond market is signaling that we are possibly at the high point of rates. So, if they do come down in a few years the fact that it will be costly to refi is a serious factor to consider.   


Okay thanks. What do you think of HEL or HELOC for this case? Do HEL or HELOC only work for primary residence? Or it can be working like my case too?

Post: Question about the best loan I can get for refinancing

Hyeseong ParkPosted
  • Rental Property Investor
  • Philadelphia, PA
  • Posts 67
  • Votes 15
Quote from @Steve Vaughan:
Quote from @Hyeseong Park:
Quote from @Steve Vaughan:
Quote from @Hyeseong Park:

Yes, as far as I know your loan can be ready to go, just needs to close/ fund the day after the minimum seasoning requirement.

My data may be outdated.   Maybe @Chris Mason has a sec to verify.


 Okay thanks. Will contact him!

Post: Question about the best loan I can get for refinancing

Hyeseong ParkPosted
  • Rental Property Investor
  • Philadelphia, PA
  • Posts 67
  • Votes 15
Quote from @Steve Vaughan:
Quote from @Hyeseong Park:

You've done extremely well.   I know it's painful,  but if you can sit tight for it to season it will save you soo much money and pain refinancing again later. 

Put a great renter in there and wait.  I think you will regret a quick sale.  Taxes are brutal and you will lose an important block in your wealth building foundation.  


Yeah just 2 months to wait to be seasoned to make it 6months I think. Thanks for the great advice. I might go with this way too. Is it normally possible to file everything for refinancing and give it to a lender before the 6 months while waiting to be seasoned and the lender can close the loan at the date of 6month? Just trying to save my time for filing. 

Post: Question about the best loan I can get for refinancing

Hyeseong ParkPosted
  • Rental Property Investor
  • Philadelphia, PA
  • Posts 67
  • Votes 15
Quote from @Joe Davis:
Quote from @Hyeseong Park:
Quote from @Joe Davis:

On DSCR you will see a rate increase or "penalty" if the property hasn't been seasoned for at least 90 days. Some lenders even require more.

Also - on a DSCR, you will need to have a tenant in place.

I don't believe you're going to find someone who will cash-out refinance you to LTV on whatever the AMC comes back at. Most will do the PP + Repair that you sunk into it, although looks like you have a pretty healthy spread so won't be capped by LTV.

If you are not desperate for the cash right this second, lease it out - wait until it's seasoned and than you will get better rates and cash out of it. 

The property has been seasoned for 120 days so I think that will be fine. But, to get DSCR, I must have tenants while processing the loan? or is that depending on lenders?


 Yes, generally you will want to have the tenants in place. On occasion, the lender can go off market rents. but expect a little conservatism. But again, seems like your property has plenty of spread and will easily conform to the debt service coverage ratio at $1,300/Month. 

Okay and also what I'm curious is that I know I need to get a tenant anyway to cover the debt every month, but was wondering if I need to have a tenant until we close the loan... Thanks.

Post: Question about the best loan I can get for refinancing

Hyeseong ParkPosted
  • Rental Property Investor
  • Philadelphia, PA
  • Posts 67
  • Votes 15
Quote from @Joe Davis:

On DSCR you will see a rate increase or "penalty" if the property hasn't been seasoned for at least 90 days. Some lenders even require more.

Also - on a DSCR, you will need to have a tenant in place.

I don't believe you're going to find someone who will cash-out refinance you to LTV on whatever the AMC comes back at. Most will do the PP + Repair that you sunk into it, although looks like you have a pretty healthy spread so won't be capped by LTV.

If you are not desperate for the cash right this second, lease it out - wait until it's seasoned and than you will get better rates and cash out of it. 

The property has been seasoned for 120 days so I think that will be fine. But, to get DSCR, I must have tenants while processing the loan? or is that depending on lenders?