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Post: Landlords... Stop being so hard on your tenants
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Originally posted by @Jay Hinrichs:
Originally posted by @Joe Seegers:
you guys have to realize you should work with tenants,because if this last along time like 2008 ,you will realize what i mean.sure everyone should be able pay their rent with their stimulas checks.sure you might have to workout payment plans to they get them.but after that it might get rough ,if the goverment does not get people back to work.what choice to you have,a tenant you know,or a complete stranger without a job.alot of you where not around in 2000 and 2008.this market could get real bad.like now if you advertise a place you get a good responce to look at it.in 2008 you would advertise and hardly anybody would respond and if they did they wanted 1 or 2 months free rent.i would prefer to work with tenants now,and i can already know which tenants its going to be.it will be the 10% of tenants you always have to remind to pay.90% of your tenants will find a way to pay.we all know they signed a contract to pay,just be nice if they work with you,maybe stop late fees or reduce them.but to forgive the rent is another story,unless the goverment forgives our taxes.you got to realize now you should be in survival mold,for i can tell you if you make it threw their should be sunshine at the other end.because most new building is coming to a halt,most remodeling coming to halt ,most family being home more ,which maybe creates larger family,and when this done most banks will have even more tougher standards for a loan ,like 6 months reserve for a borrower.so down the road rents will rise probably more then before this crisis.so just hang in their and develop a plan you your situation.so look as this as a bump in the road.and if you live in wisconsin ,you should know by the amount of potholes we have
YUP you tend to have those posting who lived and worked through the GFC in a meaningful way.. and those that are post and this is just something they have no experience with and really dont know what is going to happen.. real estate is risk reward.. its not guaranteed income
Amen.
Post: Landlords... Stop being so hard on your tenants
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I'm not saying let them get something for free and that everyone should give away free stuff.
I think you're reading the rebuttals not the actual post.
I'm saying to work with them to pay something rather than nothing. If they can't pay anything let them leave without hunting them down for back payments and get a new tenant in who can pay full rent.
If this is not clear then I'm done because I literally can't say it any simpler than that.
Post: Landlords... Stop being so hard on your tenants
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Originally posted by @Heather Frusco:
@Account Closed I'm confused bad business for who? Like I said... most LL's WILL allow a Tenant to break lease if they can not afford rent... majority of Tenants will however not move out... living expenses come due one way or the other... again they don't just disappear into thin air.
I don't think I disagree with you.
If you have bad tenants that won't move out then evict them. That's a completely different topic.
Post: Landlords... Stop being so hard on your tenants
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Originally posted by @Karen Mills:
I've been a foster parent, volunteered for the humane society, learned Spanish fluently helping migrant farmworkers for free, am vegan for ethical reasons, have a bird refuge and a zoo of rescues. I will be fair and work with my tenants but my rentals, all bought right before the 2008 crash, are not a charity.
And the claims that you should have not been made by anyone here.
Post: Landlords... Stop being so hard on your tenants
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Originally posted by @Sid K.:
This is an unprecedented health and financial situation , so we are being flexible and trying to be a part of the solutions :
- 1) If our tenants alert us to their inability to pay rents - we are being compassionate and listening.
- 2) We are asking for little more background on their situation ( Lost job ? sick ? someone in the family sick ?)
- 3) If we think there are genuine reasons , we are offering a combination ( not all) of the following options
- . 3.a) Waive late fees
- . 3.b) Adjust their security deposit for the next months rent
- . 3.c) Offer flexible termination of the lease, if they want to vacate and move with family
- 3.d) Offer them additional 30 days to pay current rent.
- 3.e) Issue a notice to them that is empathetic to their situation , but also puts the eviction process rolling so it can be executed once we we want and are legally able to.
- 4) If we believe that they are taking unfair advantage of the situation and not paying rent ( They still have their job , no sickness etc) - we are providing them a notice to intent to evict as soon as we are legally able to.
Welcome thoughts on anything we can do different.
Thanks
Sid,
Can you explain to me why all the posts that make sense (like yours) always seem to get the lowest amount of votes and feedback?
While one's charged with emotion and resentment and false statements are celebrated.
Do you think that maybe people here don't actually want to be productive?
Post: Landlords... Stop being so hard on your tenants
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Originally posted by @Joe Seegers:
you guys have to realize you should work with tenants,because if this last along time like 2008 ,you will realize what i mean.sure everyone should be able pay their rent with their stimulas checks.sure you might have to workout payment plans to they get them.but after that it might get rough ,if the goverment does not get people back to work.what choice to you have,a tenant you know,or a complete stranger without a job.alot of you where not around in 2000 and 2008.this market could get real bad.like now if you advertise a place you get a good responce to look at it.in 2008 you would advertise and hardly anybody would respond and if they did they wanted 1 or 2 months free rent.i would prefer to work with tenants now,and i can already know which tenants its going to be.it will be the 10% of tenants you always have to remind to pay.90% of your tenants will find a way to pay.we all know they signed a contract to pay,just be nice if they work with you,maybe stop late fees or reduce them.but to forgive the rent is another story,unless the goverment forgives our taxes.you got to realize now you should be in survival mold,for i can tell you if you make it threw their should be sunshine at the other end.because most new building is coming to a halt,most remodeling coming to halt ,most family being home more ,which maybe creates larger family,and when this done most banks will have even more tougher standards for a loan ,like 6 months reserve for a borrower.so down the road rents will rise probably more then before this crisis.so just hang in their and develop a plan you your situation.so look as this as a bump in the road.and if you live in wisconsin ,you should know by the amount of potholes we have
I think there's a lot of wisdom in this post that the readers should pay attention to.
Post: Landlords... Stop being so hard on your tenants
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Originally posted by @Mike Hurney:
@Jason Allen
Spoken like a true Broker with no skin in the game (no rentals:-(
We probably know more about our Tenants than we do about family members (Credit check and Google search). A quick call should let you know what's going on. If you can't do that, maybe you should be in the stock market. This is a people business and you may not realize the people skills and insight you already have. (or record the call and let your spouse listen to it;-)
Mike,
Yes I have Airbnb listings using rental arbitrage.
I also own commercial multifamily, and more than that to be honest.
I'm not going to say it again.
Post: Landlords... Stop being so hard on your tenants
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Originally posted by @Jeff C.:
Originally posted by @Account Closed:
Originally posted by @Patrick M.:
@James Wise, the original poster does not own properties. He has an interest in piling on landlords because he (proports) to have numerous outstanding leases on a number of rentals that he sublets on Airbnb. When things were going good, he told us all we were fools... now that things have gone south he wants to be able to simply "walk away" from the leases... He has started this thread purely out of self-interest. He has absolutely no interest in business models or anyone else's side of the story.
Ha... not true I own over 500 MF units, and I'm not walking away from anything.
I have a hard time believing that anyone owning 500 units would be spending their time on cockamamie STR arbitrage schemes. Probably making use of:
The BP two step shortcut to owning 500 units
1: Invest $5,000 in a syndication that buys a 500 unit development
2: Claim to own 500 units
I've seen it far too many times.
I used to think that people could think for themselves. That they could recognize truth and wisdom when they encountered it.
A mentor of mine years ago told me that "there is no competition, because so few people actually recognize a good strategy when they see it, they either think that it's too good to be true or that they don't believe they have what it takes."
I've slowly and regrettably learned how true this statement was over the years.
Good luck
Post: Landlords... Stop being so hard on your tenants
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Originally posted by @Joe Villeneuve:
Originally posted by @James Wise:
Originally posted by @Patrick M.:
@James Wise, the original poster does not own properties. He has an interest in piling on landlords because he (proports) to have numerous outstanding leases on a number of rentals that he sublets on Airbnb. When things were going good, he told us all we were fools... now that things have gone south he wants to be able to simply "walk away" from the leases... He has started this thread purely out of self-interest. He has absolutely no interest in business models or anyone else's side of the story.
Ahhhh no, you're not telling me he's one of those rent out a landlord's house then Airbnb it dudes are you? lol, good God. The Airbnb sublet business model makes wholesaling look intelligent.
LOL. You gotta be kidding me. I went back and read that he says he owns 500 units, but in another post he says he's doing the AirBnB arbitrage..and combined together he says he owns "500 units"? BS! He doesn't own ANYTHING. He has little or no financial responsibility, and he has the nerve to call out all those that do for not giving away the farm?
To be fair, maybe he should put an add out saying all of his 500 units are available for free, as a place for all of those tenants leaving their rental homes.
Maybe this is what I get for not publishing my portfolio on the internet, sorry I'm a private person.
500+ Class B MF units
I do Airbnb arbitrage (rental arbitrage) and then invest that cashflow into the MF apartments.
I also have build, operated and sold companies in other spaces as well but all the money gets funneled into MultiFamily.
I'm not going to go back and forth with you... No good deed goes unpunished as they say, hopefully you won't have to learn the lessons I've learned, but continuing to disregard advice is a great way to accomplish that. Good luck.
Post: Landlords... Stop being so hard on your tenants
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Originally posted by @Anthony Wick:
I would think the mere fact that people are not stepping in line and defending the OP’s idea of free rent or free move out without consequences would be a wake up call to him that perhaps his ideas aren’t good. But, nope. Even when I quoted him he insists I haven’t read his posts.
A great majority of us will work with tenants that are affected by this. But also, a huge majority of us are not going to sacrifice our holdings for free rent offers and/or free move outs. Of course, a vast majority of tenants aren’t going to simply move out just because you make the suggestion. That’s a pipe dream. Most don’t have an option to move somewhere and live for free.
It’s baffling that he thinks the only two options are giving tenants something for nothing or you’re immoral. Of course, he also thinks a tenant should be able to hoard retirement funds and college savings instead of paying rent, and also thinks a tenant is the landlords responsibility.
You sound like the main stream media, repeating something enough times hoping it will become true.
I never advocated free rent Anthony.
Simply 1. negotiate on a lower rent in the mean time or 2. let them break the lease and get a full paying tenant in the door.
How is that not easy to understand? I literally can't spell it out any simpler for you.