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All Forum Posts by: Jason Tran

Jason Tran has started 1 posts and replied 6 times.

Post: Another College Dropout?

Jason TranPosted
  • West Chester, PA
  • Posts 6
  • Votes 1
Originally posted by @Joe Villeneuve:
Originally posted by @Jason Tran:
Originally posted by @Joe Villeneuve:
Originally posted by @Jason Tran:
Originally posted by @Joe Villeneuve:

As an ex math major, can you tell me how to calculate the future returns on a REI that you paid cash for now (20% down) and had a cash flow potential and future flip profit potential where you reinvested all of your profit potential back into your system which resulted in a compounding effect return...spread over the next 15 years?

I will start off by saying that it is highly unlikely for someone in my position to be paying cash on a deal unless I've hit the lottery. It is much more likely for someone like me to start off by getting in on an FHA loan (3.5% down) and to refinance out of it. And from what I can tell it seems like you're asking me how to calculate a BRRRR which can be found thanks to BiggerPockets resources. May I repeat that I am not trying to challenge anyone's knowledge. This post was merely to encourage myself as well as others in a similar position to more forward.

A - It's easier to get cash than financing.

B - The analysis I was asking you to do has nothing at all to do with BRRRR

C - I would suggest that before you do anything, you learn how to do 3 things well, which includes an intimate knowledge of what they mean, and how to use them as one:

1 - How to analyze Markets (not properties)...and 90% of the REA don't know how to do this for a REI.
   2 - How Money Works.  As an example:  If you started with 1 penny, and doubled the previous day's total every day for 30 days, i.e...day 1 = 2, day 2 = 4, and so on...), how much money would you have at the end of 30 days?
   3 - How to design a Plan, and not "get distracted by shiny objects" while following it...and, House Hacking to REFI out of it, isn't what I'm talking about.  That's not really a plan in the first place anyway.  That's just a strategy that you might use at some point(s) within the plan to execute that plan.

D - Memorize this number sequence. 1073741824. It's the secret to REI success.

 Thank you for the constructive criticism. I will be the first to admit I do not know everything which is why I am here- to learn. In no way was I trying to start an argument. Thank you once again.

 You say you want to learn, and yet you took what I just wrote as criticism?  I just gave you a stack of education, and you missed it all.  My friend, my fear is that you really are not interested in learning unless that knowledge is handed to you...and obvious...and I say that not as a criticism, but as an observation.

 I apologize if that offended you. I meant criticism in the aspect that it induced self-reflection in my own view. I genuinely appreciate what you are conveying to me. I apologize for my poor choice of words, friend.

Post: Another College Dropout?

Jason TranPosted
  • West Chester, PA
  • Posts 6
  • Votes 1
Originally posted by @Joe Villeneuve:
Originally posted by @Jason Tran:
Originally posted by @Joe Villeneuve:

As an ex math major, can you tell me how to calculate the future returns on a REI that you paid cash for now (20% down) and had a cash flow potential and future flip profit potential where you reinvested all of your profit potential back into your system which resulted in a compounding effect return...spread over the next 15 years?

I will start off by saying that it is highly unlikely for someone in my position to be paying cash on a deal unless I've hit the lottery. It is much more likely for someone like me to start off by getting in on an FHA loan (3.5% down) and to refinance out of it. And from what I can tell it seems like you're asking me how to calculate a BRRRR which can be found thanks to BiggerPockets resources. May I repeat that I am not trying to challenge anyone's knowledge. This post was merely to encourage myself as well as others in a similar position to more forward.

A - It's easier to get cash than financing.

B - The analysis I was asking you to do has nothing at all to do with BRRRR

C - I would suggest that before you do anything, you learn how to do 3 things well, which includes an intimate knowledge of what they mean, and how to use them as one:

1 - How to analyze Markets (not properties)...and 90% of the REA don't know how to do this for a REI.
   2 - How Money Works.  As an example:  If you started with 1 penny, and doubled the previous day's total every day for 30 days, i.e...day 1 = 2, day 2 = 4, and so on...), how much money would you have at the end of 30 days?
   3 - How to design a Plan, and not "get distracted by shiny objects" while following it...and, House Hacking to REFI out of it, isn't what I'm talking about.  That's not really a plan in the first place anyway.  That's just a strategy that you might use at some point(s) within the plan to execute that plan.

D - Memorize this number sequence. 1073741824. It's the secret to REI success.

 Thank you for the constructive criticism. I will be the first to admit I do not know everything which is why I am here- to learn. In no way was I trying to start an argument. Thank you once again.

Post: Another College Dropout?

Jason TranPosted
  • West Chester, PA
  • Posts 6
  • Votes 1
Originally posted by @Jason D.:

@Jason Tran so how have you leveraged your time after dropping out to do "what the 99%" arent doing?

What are your long term goals?

It my opinion that dropping out of college in order to pursue RE investing, is short sighted. You're sacrificing long term goals for short term gratification. 99% of RE investors start while having a W2 job, and the better paying the W2 job, the better chance of success you'll have in RE investing.

To start in real estate, you need money, experience, or hustle. Dropping out of college means you'll have less money, obviously, being new, you have no experience, so I'm assuming that you have hustle. So that leads to my first question, and I hop that you have been busting your a$$ since dropping out. Building your network, attending REI meetings, joining a mastermind, etc.... If you havent been doing that already, I dont believe that you have the hustle to overcome the lack of money.

 Since my time away from school I have been doing everything exactly as you have said. When it comes to deals you only need 2 of the 3 (money, experience, hustle). I am aware that I am not in possession of infinite capital yet those with smart minds find create ways to make deals happen. I am currently working on a team with Keller Williams, analyzing deals (though I cannot immediately purchase them at this moment I can still learn my own market), and been in contact with several successful investors in my area. I am not so naive to think that real estate is all rainbows and butterflies nor is it a "get rich quick method".

Post: Another College Dropout?

Jason TranPosted
  • West Chester, PA
  • Posts 6
  • Votes 1
Originally posted by @Matt Groth:

@Jason Tran if you weren't going to class, you should have had plenty of time to get the degree with a 4.0, AND go all in on real estate at the same time.

 I indeed did have a 4.0 GPA yet I am saddened to say that while doing volunteer work on the side and working a full time job to pay for my own tuition, I could not balance all tasks at once.

Post: Another College Dropout?

Jason TranPosted
  • West Chester, PA
  • Posts 6
  • Votes 1
Originally posted by @Joe Villeneuve:

As an ex math major, can you tell me how to calculate the future returns on a REI that you paid cash for now (20% down) and had a cash flow potential and future flip profit potential where you reinvested all of your profit potential back into your system which resulted in a compounding effect return...spread over the next 15 years?

I will start off by saying that it is highly unlikely for someone in my position to be paying cash on a deal unless I've hit the lottery. It is much more likely for someone like me to start off by getting in on an FHA loan (3.5% down) and to refinance out of it. And from what I can tell it seems like you're asking me how to calculate a BRRRR which can be found thanks to BiggerPockets resources. May I repeat that I am not trying to challenge anyone's knowledge. This post was merely to encourage myself as well as others in a similar position to more forward.

Post: Another College Dropout?

Jason TranPosted
  • West Chester, PA
  • Posts 6
  • Votes 1

Hello BiggerPockets forum! It has come to my attention that the topic of "college dropouts" has sprouted a seed of slight interest in a few discussions. Though having only joined BiggerPockets very recently, I couldn't help but to take part.

I am currently 20 and yes, I too am a recent college dropout. Call me crazy (as some already have) but I wish to instill my perspective and the vision that I have planned for my future on those who happen to cross this post. First, I must mention that I am not asking for advice on "what to do next" or "how to get started" because I already have a vision for myself.

I will try my best to keep my points short but I should readdress that I am not so ignorant to think that my way is the only nor correct way to live life for all people are uniquely special.

  • Why pay to be taught when you can teach yourself/acquire free knowledge? During my time at college, I was the type of student to never show up to lectures yet achieve straight A's in all my classes. I'm not saying this to toot my own horn but I personally found self-teaching to be more effective in exercising a desire and passion to learn. Self-teaching can also be utilized in real estate especially with the seemingly unlimited and FREE resources of the internet (as well as BiggerPockets). I also found that investing in business/real estate/mindset books is not only cheaper compared to the hundreds poured into college textbooks but also more applicable than gen-eds that are soon forgotten the next semester. It is true that some people need structure and need guidance to be encouraged to learn which is why the education system is perfect for them. I am speaking for the other side of that.
  • "Real estate will still be here 4 years from now so finish your degree." It is a known fact that if you hesitate in real estate, you can potentially miss out on a home-run deal. Though real estate will always be around, I am a firm believer that our time on Earth is limited and we should aim to accomplish our goals as soon as possible rather than "waiting for the right time".
  • "90% of small businesses fail." For those who are all in and are aiming big (as I am) this number should be comforting. "If you are aiming for the top 1% you must be willing to to what the 99% isn't." Everyone is bound to fail eventually but those who truly wish for success will only learn from those failures and continue forward.
  • Networking can be done outside of college!

This post went on longer than I had intended and I apologize in advance for that. In no way was I trying to bash the education system nor offend anyone in my statements. I am speaking from a personal experience and I fully realize that all cases are different. (I love education and the education system. I was a Secondary Mathematics Education Major before I dropped out. I hope to come back to teach high schoolers once I reach financial independence.)

To conclude, I would like to post my next immediate goal to state to everyone how I will begin my journey. I intend on house-hacking my way into a duplex/triplex as a way to get my foot in the door. Though seemingly small, all big things must begin somewhere.