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All Forum Posts by: Jeff Langley

Jeff Langley has started 5 posts and replied 138 times.

I’m not a fan of #1 because then the reviews will be left for the other account and not yours. I’ve found it best to start over from scratch but maintain the old listing title and cover photo for a short period of time to get any potential guest transfers. Unless you know the previous hosts, I’d much rather vet guests using my own criteria and pricing adjustments.  

Post: Wood Fire Hot tub?

Jeff LangleyPosted
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Quote from @Michael Baum:

Yeah, you are not an idiot @Jeff Langley. We are just pointing out the possible problems with a woodfired anything.

For example, I don't have a fire pit or allow it on our beach. It is banned anyways, but I point it out to all the guests.

We are in Idaho and it doesn't take much to spark a wildfire in the hot, dry summer.

I said I was crazy, not an idiot lol. Jk, don't get all soft on me. A bad idea is a bad idea :) I'm also in idaho mountains. 

Post: Wood Fire Hot tub?

Jeff LangleyPosted
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They are actually Alumitubs and can be done nicely. A contained small fire that can heat up in a few hours, nothing similar to cavemen creating fire like some of the previous comments. Every nightly rental review that has one, is only positive and they usually have 100s of reviews(at least the only ones I can find).

I wanted to stand out in my market, while checking the box of "hot tub" since it's a standard amenity now.  Debated pairing them with wood burning saunas.

Post: Wood Fire Hot tub?

Jeff LangleyPosted
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Thanks, it’s been determined I’m crazy. 

Post: Wood Fire Hot tub?

Jeff LangleyPosted
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Quote from @Collin Hays:
Quote from @Jeff Langley:

Hi, I’m debating a normal hot tub vs a wood fire hot tub. Am I crazy?

Backstory: two luxury cabins in the Rocky Mountains, each sleep a max of 16 but 8-10 guests is more common. Yes, i know I’ll be short on seats in any hot tub and that’s okay. Either choice will seat 6ish. The wood route will require less maintenance and attention from a service company. No chemicals, no electricity, refill and clean after each stay, and “environmental friendly”. It’s just a bit niche and not sure what others think. Of the nightly rentals that I’ve found with a wood tub, all reviews are positive. 


Thanks for your thoughts! 


 Better have a lot of wood!

Haha it’s not as bad as you think but that is a renewable energy source. Not many fire bans in the area, certainly not in winter. 

Post: Wood Fire Hot tub?

Jeff LangleyPosted
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Hi, I’m debating a normal hot tub vs a wood fire hot tub. Am I crazy?

Backstory: two luxury cabins in the Rocky Mountains, each sleep a max of 16 but 8-10 guests is more common. Yes, i know I’ll be short on seats in any hot tub and that’s okay. Either choice will seat 6ish. The wood route will require less maintenance and attention from a service company. No chemicals, no electricity, refill and clean after each stay, and “environmental friendly”. It’s just a bit niche and not sure what others think. Of the nightly rentals that I’ve found with a wood tub, all reviews are positive. 


Thanks for your thoughts! 

Quote from @Travis Timmons:

Whitefish? By what metric? The median home price there is $1.4M according to redfin. There is also some tight zoning and regulation in Whitefish. I'd venture to guess that the median price for an STR-able property is probably $2M. There are some towns in the area that could pencil, but Whitefish proper just doesn't math.

There is just too much demand from rich people looking for a 2nd home to see any cash flow at all. My simple math suggests that you probably have to shell out $600k in cash (25% down + furnishing, travel, and make ready costs) for the privilege of losing $1,000-$5,000 per month. Those numbers are also factoring in self management. The average guy that can cut a check for that amount does not want to self manage. 

You could make the appreciation argument, but that's an expensive bet. I know someone from Houston that paid cash for a place in Whitefish that they personally use and STR when not there. That makes sense - you get a vacation home and you're so rich that you don't care about the ROI. I don't see it outside of something like that but maybe I am missing something.


 Speaking the truth! I tried that market a few years back and price to revenue lacked, massively and it still does. Just because it also has a ski resort does not mean the winters have good occupancy, most tend to rent 4-6 month stays during the winter because nightly rental isn’t strong. 

I 2nd a lot of thoughts about Broken Bow. Again, seemed over priced and too niche a few years back. I could never understand the draw, but i also live in Colorado with real mountains 😀. 

I prefer good deals in established markets that already have some form of permit structure. I don’t like surprises. 

Post: 🎉 BPCON Registration is Now Open! 🎉

Jeff LangleyPosted
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Hi!  

I’m thinking about staying at Moon Palace but not attending the actual conference. I’m at the point where I value the relationships I make more than listening to a speaker repeat themselves or market their program. Anyone else plan on doing this?

Does this mean I’d be able to pitch a $20k course like others? 

Quote from @Marc Shin:

Is it possible to manage an out-of-state short term rental without a property manager?   I don't want to spend a lot of $$ in property management.  What are the challenges and how do I overcome those challenges?   Any tips/tricks?

If you need to ask this question, I’d recommend a PM because finding solutions to problems is not your strong suit. Best of luck!