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All Forum Posts by: Johann Jells

Johann Jells has started 130 posts and replied 1625 times.

Post: Simple bookkeeping advice

Johann JellsPosted
  • Rental Property Investor
  • Jersey City, NJ
  • Posts 1,632
  • Votes 875
Originally posted by @Bjorn Ahlblad:

@Account Closed Congrats on the property! All you need is a bank account and credit card dedicated to the property and................ Presto!

How does that answer the gentleman's question?  He asked about data organization.

Post: Simple bookkeeping advice

Johann JellsPosted
  • Rental Property Investor
  • Jersey City, NJ
  • Posts 1,632
  • Votes 875

I just copied this answer of mine from a similar question last week, I think spending hundreds of dollars a year on Quickbooks for a simple landlording business with no payroll is unjustified. 

I've been using Quicken to track my business expenses for 30 years, even before I had properties. You download your bank and card transactions into it, then categorize each one. From then on you can track whatever you want using the report function. I can easily look up what I spent on the water bills of a property for 2002.

I use one checking account and one credit card for each of my businesses, but rentals are one business, not bank accounts for each property.

There are several well known online services that do this, but it makes me nervous not having control of my data. I have 30 years worth of business data, with that new web service be around that long?

Post: Anyone DIY their LLC tax forms? What software do you use?

Johann JellsPosted
  • Rental Property Investor
  • Jersey City, NJ
  • Posts 1,632
  • Votes 875
Originally posted by @Fadi Tarapolsi:

As a sole proprietor, I use H&R Block software for business. Since the IRS sees this as a 'pass through', I just put it all in and let it do the rest. Last year was interesting with W2, 1099, and LLC income streams. Hopefully one day I'll be big enough to need an accountant to keep it all straight. :)

That's exactly what I did before the LLC, with a W2, schedule E and 2 schedule Cs. Maybe I can get back there...

Post: Anyone DIY their LLC tax forms? What software do you use?

Johann JellsPosted
  • Rental Property Investor
  • Jersey City, NJ
  • Posts 1,632
  • Votes 875

Thanks all, I appreciate the comments regardless of whether they apply, as knowing the right questions to ask is half the game. FWIW we have no intention of selling anything anytime soon, but probably restructuring sooner rather than later is best. Getting good advice is going to be hard. 

Post: Anyone DIY their LLC tax forms? What software do you use?

Johann JellsPosted
  • Rental Property Investor
  • Jersey City, NJ
  • Posts 1,632
  • Votes 875
Originally posted by @Greg O'Brien:

@Johann Jells what is in your S corp? Just a mgmt company or do any assets sit in it? You’ll also need a payroll service for your S corp wages. Payroll can be done by hand but the self service payrolls are real cheap now!

We have our rental properties in the S corp, but no employee wages paid. We've not even been taking disbursement, just letting cash pile up since we formed it waiting for a buying opportunity. I really need to do my homework and try and understand the different forms of LLC better. Part of why we formed it as an S was trying to shield the assets for college financial aid purposes. That turned out to be hopeless, but fortunately the kids chose colleges that gave them decent merit scholarships, that helped a lot. But if dispensing with the S gets rid of all the separate forms for my wife and I and some of the other nonsense, I'm all for it.

Post: Anyone DIY their LLC tax forms? What software do you use?

Johann JellsPosted
  • Rental Property Investor
  • Jersey City, NJ
  • Posts 1,632
  • Votes 875
Originally posted by @Dan Schwartz:

@Johann Jells I haven’t compared it with the TT product.  I’m not crazy about how it manages fixed assets, as I feel I really need to force to do things I’ve set up, like 30-year amortization of loan costs rather than including them in the basis of the property, etc.  If you can navigate the entity tax forms, you can use the software.  And yes, it is surprisingly inexpensive. 

Thanks.  I have a friend who was recently retired by Covid from a stint as an H&R location manager, I'll ask him what he thinks of the software. I guess at this point I have 6 month before starting in on this again. Unless the CPA ghosts me again on the 2019 returns.

Post: Anyone DIY their LLC tax forms? What software do you use?

Johann JellsPosted
  • Rental Property Investor
  • Jersey City, NJ
  • Posts 1,632
  • Votes 875
Originally posted by @Dan Schwartz:

Check out H&R Block’s Premium and Business Tax Software.  You can file 1165s, 1120Ss, etc.

Thanks Dan. Any idea if there's any difference between it and the TT product?  For $89 it seems like a steal, and it appears to do 1040s too, unlike the TT business version where I'd have to buy an additional personal version. Considering this guy just charged me $1000 for just the S-corp filings, and he give zero added value of advice, I need to do this next year. Trying to stiff him for this year's nonsense seems unwise at this point.

Post: Anyone DIY their LLC tax forms? What software do you use?

Johann JellsPosted
  • Rental Property Investor
  • Jersey City, NJ
  • Posts 1,632
  • Votes 875

@David M. good question, I didn't mention that we've been filing as an S corp. It appears that may not have been the best structuring, but as I said I don't believe I've gotten the best advice from my accountant, who actually just popped up. A month without acknowledgement of receiving our tax data and on the very day I tell him we're through he says he mailed the LLC return draft to us that day. Still no sign of personal returns.

As for forms, it may be I just need to go slowly through to separate the key forms from the "noise". I know how to do that on a personal, but this I haven't done to that 1/4" of papers.

Post: Anyone DIY their LLC tax forms? What software do you use?

Johann JellsPosted
  • Rental Property Investor
  • Jersey City, NJ
  • Posts 1,632
  • Votes 875

@Basit Siddiqi You seem to have skimmed my post too fast. Obviously I know about TT doing schedule E, as a I said I have been using it for years, and just as obviously if I've been doing that I know about the depreciation schedules. When I said "corporate grade" I simply meant capable of creating a return for a corporation, which as you must know involves much more than just a schedule E.

Post: Converting a Single Family to a Multi Family Home - Advice?

Johann JellsPosted
  • Rental Property Investor
  • Jersey City, NJ
  • Posts 1,632
  • Votes 875

Most towns are very against this, it smacks of "bringing in the wrong people", ie, those who can't afford to buy or rent a house, which traditionally meant minorities. Get an attorney that specializes in zoning. Best way I know is to get the schedule of your zoning board and see which attorneys are always there. Do not trust a RE closing lawyer who thinks he can handle it. Rare is the lawyer who admits he has no idea how to handle something.