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All Forum Posts by: Jill McCann

Jill McCann has started 5 posts and replied 20 times.

Post: Legally Minimize Capital Gains

Jill McCann
Posted
  • Investor
  • Norfolk, VA
  • Posts 20
  • Votes 5
Quote from @Bill B.:

Having a property that has gone up a million or more in 10 years is a good problem to have…

I don’t understand the part about gifting the rest…

Do you mean a relative is buying and the sellers would be ok with only receiving some money and gifting the rest of the property value to the relative/buyer?  If so, the downside is that relative/buyer inherits the seller’s basis so some day they will owe a bunch of taxes if they sell before dying. 

If this is the case there has to be a better lower tax version of it. Something like your uncle/mom get a cashout refi and the “buyer/relative” makes the payments until both your mom and uncle pass away and leave it to them? This is really an estate planner question. But it could save you most if not all the taxes and get your mom/uncle the money they desire. 

Sorry, I just re-read. You mean the buyer gifts the money to the seller to avoid the sale being too high and causing taxes? I don’t think so, that sounds like tax fraud. You could Try an installment sale. Something like buying the tax free portion and then making either interest only or interest free payments. (Which ever results in lower taxes.) and maybe the buyer could buy the tax free portion from your uncle and then make installment payments to your mom. 


 Thank you!

We've had so much trouble finding the right professional to help us with this. We've talked to about 10 different people--real estate attorneys, CPAs, etc. and each refers us to someone else so it's been frustrating. 

Good problem to have except they are terrible with money, have never had money, and I'm trying to help them and no one seems to be able to tell us what to do. 

We may just have to suck it up and pay capital gains but that is a lot of money and I'm having a hard time reconciling that. So, came here to see if there are other options we haven't yet considered. 

Thank you!

Post: Legally Minimize Capital Gains

Jill McCann
Posted
  • Investor
  • Norfolk, VA
  • Posts 20
  • Votes 5
Quote from @Jill McCann:
Quote from @Bill B.:

So get a local real estate expert to give you a current value for the sale. And then ask them for a reasonable value 10 years ago. (This difference is what you’ll be taxed on, not the total sale.)

Don’t let people tell you there’s a 15k limit per person per year. Your uncle can use his lifetime exemption. 

If the transfer on death put it in both their names you’ll have to figure out if that made it 50/50 or if you can call it 90/10 to make his portion tax free. 


 Ok--So the VALUE hasn't changed very much according to real estate assessment but the accepted offer and sale price is significantly higher than when they inherited. 

We are open to them misaligning the proportions to help with taxes. However, the difference in inherited value and sale price is many times higher than 250k. 


 Could the transaction be broken down to :

Sale of property 

Buyer "gift" the remaining funds to cover the sale price if under lifetime max? 

Is that legal/allowed?

Post: Legally Minimize Capital Gains

Jill McCann
Posted
  • Investor
  • Norfolk, VA
  • Posts 20
  • Votes 5
Quote from @Bill B.:

So get a local real estate expert to give you a current value for the sale. And then ask them for a reasonable value 10 years ago. (This difference is what you’ll be taxed on, not the total sale.)

Don’t let people tell you there’s a 15k limit per person per year. Your uncle can use his lifetime exemption. 

If the transfer on death put it in both their names you’ll have to figure out if that made it 50/50 or if you can call it 90/10 to make his portion tax free. 


 Ok--So the VALUE hasn't changed very much according to real estate assessment but the accepted offer and sale price is significantly higher than when they inherited. 

We are open to them misaligning the proportions to help with taxes. However, the difference in inherited value and sale price is many times higher than 250k. 

Post: Legally Minimize Capital Gains

Jill McCann
Posted
  • Investor
  • Norfolk, VA
  • Posts 20
  • Votes 5
Quote from @Bill B.:

Is the gain in excess of $250k in the last 10 years? (Your mom/uncle had their cost basis stopped up at your grandparents death.) Is your uncle married? That would give him $500k tax free. Are your mom and uncle both on title?

I think you’re going to want to pay a tax guy this year. They could easily pay for themselves. You’re going to want to figure out what the property was worth 10 years ago. (They should have done an appraisal then but today it’s probably property tax records.) 

Depending on the title maybe your uncle can take gain under his tax free section 121 and then gift your mom half. 


Yes gain is significantly more than that. 

Uncle is unmarried (widowed).

It's rural and they never did title or deed transfer. Just transferred upon death via will and probate has been closed.

I'll look into tax free section 121 and gifting! 

We are VERY happy to pay a tax person--just having trouble finding one that can help. 

Post: Legally Minimize Capital Gains

Jill McCann
Posted
  • Investor
  • Norfolk, VA
  • Posts 20
  • Votes 5
Quote from @Eliott Elias:

Own your property for a year and 1031 it


 They've owned it for 10 years. The sale needs to happen this fall.Not sure they've ever considered it investment. Considering an installment? Not sure how to structure. Maybe we are overcomplicating..

Post: Legally Minimize Capital Gains

Jill McCann
Posted
  • Investor
  • Norfolk, VA
  • Posts 20
  • Votes 5
Quote from @Account Closed:
Quote from @Jill McCann:

My mom and uncle inherited family property when my grandmother died 10 years ago. 

My uncle has lived on the land his whole life including after inheriting--it's his primary residence. 

The land is comprised of a few homes, barns, forest, and farmland. They have collected some income for having it logged years ago but that's about it.

They have accepted an offer on it and will be subject to significant capital gains. The offer is cash and from family so the deal can be structured a variety of ways. 

1. What are the best strategies to minimize taxes?

2. Is there a way to allow both parties to net the same amount of money after taxes considering my uncle will be able to reduce his liability due to it being his primary residence. 

Of note--one small piece of the whole sale is owned solely by my uncle and contains a house and about an acre of farmland. I mention this in case using it provides some option for tax savings. The offer is on all of the property together and the agreement is to split it all. Thank you!!


 You want to talk to  @Dave Foster:

https://www.biggerpockets.com/...


 Thank you! I'm not sure they qualify for a 1031, which is the problem. My mom has done both of their taxes forever via turbo tax and isn't sure she ever considered it investment in any way. 

Post: Legally Minimize Capital Gains

Jill McCann
Posted
  • Investor
  • Norfolk, VA
  • Posts 20
  • Votes 5

My mom and uncle inherited family property when my grandmother died 10 years ago. 

My uncle has lived on the land his whole life including after inheriting--it's his primary residence. 

The land is comprised of a few homes, barns, forest, and farmland. They have collected some income for having it logged years ago but that's about it.

They have accepted an offer on it and will be subject to significant capital gains. The offer is cash and from family so the deal can be structured a variety of ways. 

1. What are the best strategies to minimize taxes?

2. Is there a way to allow both parties to net the same amount of money after taxes considering my uncle will be able to reduce his liability due to it being his primary residence. 

Of note--one small piece of the whole sale is owned solely by my uncle and contains a house and about an acre of farmland. I mention this in case using it provides some option for tax savings. The offer is on all of the property together and the agreement is to split it all. Thank you!!

Post: Advice on Loan options

Jill McCann
Posted
  • Investor
  • Norfolk, VA
  • Posts 20
  • Votes 5
Quote from @Caroline Gerardo:

Do not pay off the loan with cash.

You can sell and take the equity.

You can refinance with bank statement or DSCR but rate will increase and not cash flow as well as with your existing loan at say 4.

You can let the divorce finalize and just auto pay as agreed. If tenant stops paying then sell. In short stall... do nothing. Spouse will have to spend $50000 in court to make you sell. Are you sole on title now or still joint? 

Or show him a denial letter and tell him to buy the house from you and pay it off, but don't stay joint on the loan.


 I don't want to sell because I want to keep the property. I love it there and want it as a vacation home if nothing else. 

Rates I'm getting are 6% and up. Current rate is 2%. 

He will take me to court over it--a matter of time as he's not stopped bringing motions despite the hundreds of thousands of dollars it's costing him/us.

I think my best option is to pay off the loan in cash.  Just crowdsourcing and seeing what else is out there. 

Post: Advice on Loan options

Jill McCann
Posted
  • Investor
  • Norfolk, VA
  • Posts 20
  • Votes 5

Thank you!

So I understand why you made the assumptions you did, let me clarify:

I qualified for the refinance on the other two properties in March 2022--interest rates were a lot lower then. I also receive support for 3 years, which is the minimum you need to qualify for loans. It's now September and interest rates are a lot higher and I now have less than 3 years of support. The payment will increase due to interest rate, although I guess I could pay cash towards principle to get payment to where it needs to be. Either way none of my contacts could do anything in WV and my support is now less than 3 years and I don't yet have w2 income. 

My agreement says I have to refinance or otherwise get him off the loan. I can pay cash. Just considering other options 

Post: Advice on Loan options

Jill McCann
Posted
  • Investor
  • Norfolk, VA
  • Posts 20
  • Votes 5

I'm getting a divorce and acquired our property at settlement. I've refinanced my main house and an investment property and am out of ratio for refinancing the last property. I've contacted the lender to request a simple assumption of the loan as interest rate is very low, but that's unlikely.

The home is in WV and pay off amount is 116k and value is 200k.

I have the cash to pay off the loan. However, I'd prefer a mortgage so that I could use that money for other investments/deals but have nothing specific lined up. We bought the home as a vacation home, but I've converted to a STR and have data showing income for the property.

I do not have W2 income right now, so that limits my options. 

I need help processing what to do:

1. Pay off loan and get a HELOC or similar if I want to tap equity in the future--is this a possibility? Difficult?

2. Attempt to find a DCSR loan--if this route, how do I find someone in WV?

3. Anything else I should consider?