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All Forum Posts by: Jerome Harrod II

Jerome Harrod II has started 22 posts and replied 66 times.

Post: Are Note Finders just another broker?

Jerome Harrod IIPosted
  • Professional
  • Baltimore, MD
  • Posts 79
  • Votes 47

Well, I thank everyone for their time and patience with me in defining this.

It's true that I was a little misguided in terms of title, that happens time to time to newbies.
However, I now know what I'am and how I look in the eyes of professionals. Also from the different and vast majority of explanations regarding brokers, it looks like most of my work will be coming from the general public that are holding notes found from courthouse research, not professionals.

Again, I thank you for your answers. I'll try my best not to be the broker everyone hates to work.

Post: Are Note Finders just another broker?

Jerome Harrod IIPosted
  • Professional
  • Baltimore, MD
  • Posts 79
  • Votes 47

To Financexaminer;

I thank you for your time in trying to educate me in what works and what doesn't, and I'm sure your experience in this business is great and plentiful. It may be true that my foundation of knowledge was built from a "note guru" but that knowledge has been greatly expanded and has been updated based on my outside personal research of this.
Well, in the state of maryland you do not need a license to "facilitate" notes,so licensing isn't an issue for me. I could however as you say ,put effort in taking a test rather than boasting a guru, but that's not a viable option for most people and for me. For some reason , things are not as simple or as dry cut as you seem to make it in this business.

Post: Are Note Finders just another broker?

Jerome Harrod IIPosted
  • Professional
  • Baltimore, MD
  • Posts 79
  • Votes 47

To Don Konipaol; Thank you for answering my question about why note brokers are hated, but one thing concerns me. I may have misunderstood, but those examples sound geared to mostly a Professional in Real Estate point of view. From a professional stand point it's true that Note Brokers aren't really needed.
On the contrary, Most noteholders or note sellers are not professional real estate investors or even real estate savvy to know, look, or to think about how to make a profit from selling a note. So there being an intermediary doesn't matter as long as they get their money.

My personal opinion on buying a note at it's face value is like taking a gamble. Possibly a loss of money for the note buyer when you take into accounts the risks ,such as defaults, involved in note purchasing unless they were looking to take the house at some point.
Which explains why the offers you received were lower than the asking price since most of all notes are bought discounted to protect the buyers assets as well. It's not always easy to meet seller's standards and buyer standards when selling a note when both parties are experienced and set with knowing what they want and how they want it.

I understand that there are also many incompetent Note Finders out just giving questionnaires to people who have the words note for sale without giving any thought whatsoever to what information was given. As well as them not knowing how they were doing the transaction to make sure the note seller gets the highest amount at all time. In this case, as a new notefinder, I know I'am not one and I strive to not be put into that category. I may not have a rapport yet to back up this style of business for real professionals to take me seriously yet, but I'm and few others are still solid business to work with.

Now for the reasons why to work with a note finderer is because, A large majority of noteholders, at least the ones I come into contact with daily through mailings and cold-calling, either do not know that they could sell their note in the first place or are people ,either professional or not, looking sell their note but are looking to sell their note for a cash now purpose. Now we see working with an experienced Note Finder or Note Broker, helps with enlightening people to the fact they can sell their note and helps fulfill that need of immediate cash now. Even sophisticated note sellers can use Note Finders as a safety selling net when they see that their note isn't getting sold at the price asked, they have the highest offer to settle for provided by the Note Finder.

Post: A new young member from Maryland

Jerome Harrod IIPosted
  • Professional
  • Baltimore, MD
  • Posts 79
  • Votes 47

Hello all BP members, Jerome Harrod here and from the looks of how this site is structured. This is a great site to not only use to market yourself, but a great place to meet, discuss, and befriend people and professionals all over the real estate industry as well.

Here is my Background:
I'm an 18 year old young man interested in real estate but with a career education headed into computer security industry as a certified ethical hacker for the government and a cyber cop for business large and small.
Which is something people don't notice, don't care to notice, or don't see often in my opinion, especially in my area of living.
My story of how I'm getting started is different from others and maybe even a unorthodox but so far I have seen little results. Ever since I was young, all I ever wanted to do was computer security and real estate. Growing up, I was more pushed to my computer passion and was almost talked out of my dream to do real estate. So the end result was me going to a Vocational School that teaches nothing but computers and computer security, after a while I saw that my love for real estate was greater than my love for computers. I knew what I wanted to do but I had no plan and little to no support from my family or anyone I knew to help me pursue a career in Real Estate.
Well Now, I'm in ITT-Tech a college that requires me to pay $20,000 every 2 years to be in. That means that the schoolwork I get, I must take seriously and learn what I came there to learn just based off how much I'm paying to go there.Now, I had to come up with a way to get my foot in the door of real estate, while taking care of school engagements and coming up with a way to pay back my student loans.

My only way to enter Real Estate under the financial pressure and stress I was in was to act as a NoteFinder in the Seller Financed Real Estate Note Industry. A Note Finder can simply be described as an someone who finds a noteholder willing to sell there note and matches them with an investor interested in purchasing them, and collect a 4% finders fee from the buyer. Which is all legal and have been upheld in courts across the nation.

Now a legal courts description of a finder is described as one who finds, interests, introduces, and brings parties together for a transaction – The principals themselves subsequently negotiate and consummate. In other words, a finder is a middleman who is not involved in the negotiating of any of the terms of the transaction between the buyer and the seller. Acting only as an introducing party which allows me more latitude to act in my own best interests. Essentially, as a finder, we are passing along information that we gathered ourselves – this information, along with our access to buyers, is our stock in trade.

I have studied this part-time due to college for well about a year, and in February of 2010 is when I decided to take action and start a small business called JK-NoteServices. So far in my career I have helped 4 people sell their notes, and currently I'm looking to be more active in this industry hoping it will open the door for me to be a real Real Estate Investor Flipping houses and buying foreclosures one day. Everything else about me is in my profile.

I hope to make alot of colleagues and friends, and to also find a mentor during my stay. Everyone needs to learn from someone, and I can only do so much on my own. I'm looking forward to being an active member here on biggerpockets.

Post: Are Note Finders just another broker?

Jerome Harrod IIPosted
  • Professional
  • Baltimore, MD
  • Posts 79
  • Votes 47

Well, I'm still new, and I hear what you are saying. I'll change my title to a Note Finder, which I looked up to be a more common industry title.

Now, here is where I disagree about your classification of my job. True, what I do is similar to that of a note broker, I handle notes between a note buyer and seller to receive compensation, but let me explain why this "straight arrow" definition doesn't really stand.
Many people are used to the connotation of “broker†(as one who represents another) as it applies to real estate broker, mortgage broker, insurance broker, or perhaps even stock broker. But those occupations all require training classes, licensing, and employment agreements with established institutions in order to get started.

Now, maybe it’s just because many don’t understand that the word “broker†has several common definitions. It would seem so; given that so many instinctively dive into the Note Finder position with the notion of “acting as an agent†for another, or “representing clientsâ€. But why would they even think about doing so, without having gone through the complicated procedures of learning all about the art and science (and in many cases, legal requirements) of “representing othersâ€â€¦ i.e. “acting as an agent for others?â€) I don’t know, but as a note finder, I'am not bound by the same rules and regulations as agents or note brokers

The term “broker†has created a false impression on many sides of the table with new note finders, state regulators, and even in the courtroom. The law of agency doctrine puts another layer of legal obligations (i.e. “duty of careâ€) on those who act on behalf of another. This is particularly so if we are acting on behalf of another, for a fee. Such “third-party†‘client’ representation attaches with it, various requirements for disclosure of material facts; indirectly limits the amount and type of compensation we receive; imposes minimum standards of trust and competence in both our due diligence and negotiating skills – and frequently, creates liability for any advice we might offer to the “clientâ€. In many states, licensing issues even come into play, if you intend to represent clients, for a fee.

A finder is described as one who finds, interests, introduces, and brings parties together for a transaction – The principals themselves subsequently negotiate and consummate. In other words, a finder is a middleman who is not involved in the negotiating of any of the terms of the transaction between the buyer and the seller. Acting only as an introducing party allows me more latitude to act in our own best interests. Essentially, as a finder, we are passing along information that we gathered ourselves – this information, along with our access to buyers, is our stock in trade.

Now, legally speaking, Many states have upheld a finder’s exception to licensing requirements related to real estate, mortgages and loans, business opportunities, and even securities transactions – in states where such issues have gone to court. California in particular, has a well-settled history of supporting the finder exception to licensing laws in all of these professional areas!

California courts have consistently held that such an intermediary, or middleman, is protected by the finder’s exception to the real estate licensing laws, an exception first established by California’s Supreme Court in 1923, in Shaffer v. Beinhorn (190 Cal. 569, 573-574; 213 P. 960 [1923]). In that case, the Court held that a person who contracted to introduce a seller to a prospective buyer acted as a finder; and that one who simply finds and introduces two parties to a real estate transaction need not be licensed as a real estate broker; and in such cases, finders are entitled to be paid the finder fee agreed upon by the Parties to the Agreement.

That is a proven and legal way to start in the "cash flow business" without money of your own. I'm a living example of that, since I have closed 4 deals. It's a small accomplishment but it is a note worthy experience to go off from.

Post: Are Note Finders just another broker?

Jerome Harrod IIPosted
  • Professional
  • Baltimore, MD
  • Posts 79
  • Votes 47

Short intro, My name is Jerome and I'm a young new Notefinder without much experience. However, I have alot of knowledge of the Cashflow business/industry and I have closed 4 deals in this business which I believe balances out my lack of experience.

Now, I have seen and been through alot of ads, telephone calls, and emails that calls for their note to be sold, but once I say who I'am and what I do. I get told that they do not work with brokers and our business ends there.
Here's what I say, and this is what I''am, to people wanting to liquidate or sell their notes.

" I'am not a broker, I'am a Private Party CashFlow Specialist who focuses on monthly payments secured by real estate.So I work with people like yourself who are receiving payments on a mortgage and match them up with investors interested in purchasing them."

Note Finders and Brokers do share a familiar job description, but the key things that separate those two descriptions are that a Note Finder/CashFlow Specialist represents only himself and not his buyers, working independently not acting as agents, consultants, or assisting the structuring notes of any kind to our note buyers. Our job is to only act as matchmaker between noteholder and note buyer.

However, most disregard that defining detail and classify us as a broker. My first question is why do people dislike working with brokers anyway? Are their fees just too high?

Secondly , Am I the only NoteFinder here? Are there other NoteFinders, brokers and others that understand this matter and can give a comment? I do need help progressing in my chosen career path of working with notes until I can actually start investing in notes and properties myself.