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All Forum Posts by: Joe Smith

Joe Smith has started 19 posts and replied 73 times.

Post: Making a loan to an LLC

Joe SmithPosted
  • Akron, OH
  • Posts 77
  • Votes 2
Originally posted by Steven Hamilton II:
Bienes,

For a single member LLC that is just fine. Just be sure you are not exchanging funds every other day with the LLC nor using LLC funds for personal expenses. Have a distribution schedule. If you file as a sole proprietor, than you will want to give yourself a pay schedule(biweekly, weekly, etc). If you file as an 1120s than you may want to consider your paycheck biweekly or monthly and a dividend schedule be it monthly or quarterly. This helps to distinguish a pattern of responsibility to help prove that you are not just taking money out when you feel like it.

-Steven C Hamilton II

To phrase it another way, if each month your LLC makes $5000 net profit, and each month you transfer $4000 to a personal account of you, the owner, which you use as a "salary (since you can't pay yourself a salary out of an LLC) is that acceptable or not? It sounds like as long as it's a regular, "payroll type" amount that stays more or less the same, then it's OK, right?

I assume problems ensue when it's $159.33 today, $4032 next Friday, $332 the next week, then the following week, throw $4392.99 back in...etc. etc...

Post: cash out restrictions on refinance

Joe SmithPosted
  • Akron, OH
  • Posts 77
  • Votes 2

I'm guessing the best option is find a good commercial mortgage broker, right?

In theory, a property in an HOA would be correspondingly more "desirable" and possibly generate a bit more rent. It would depend on:

A. Just how much the HOA fee is
B. How good of an HOA it is (do they keep things nice, do they do too little, or, worse, are they overbearing Nazis?)
C. How desirable the area/neighborhood is overall

Post: Who does not use the 50% rule?

Joe SmithPosted
  • Akron, OH
  • Posts 77
  • Votes 2
Originally posted by Mitch Kronowit:
Originally posted by Jon Holdman:
I have been in the game for a while. I bought my first property in 1987. Of the three residences I bought and sold pre-bubble (last one sold in 1999), NONE had any significant appreciation. If you look at the long term Case-Shiller data, appreciation is a myth. Once you subtract out inflation, there is no appreciation. None. Zip. Nada. Values go up because of inflation.

First off, the 90's were an era of very flat home values. Of course you didn't see much appreciation. And your longest holding couldn't have been more than 12 years (87-99), what I would consider the LOW-end of long-term investing. We normally start buying real estate in our 20's and 30's, then retire in our 50's or 60's. That's a 30-40 year window for realizing appreciation.

Second, looking at the Case-Shiller index for evidence of appreciation is like looking at the S&P 500 index and concluding no single stock ever returns more than 10%. When I buy a piece of property, I'm purchasing one home, not shares in a broader index. In South Orange County, homes that sold brand new in the 70's are now, roughly, worth 20 times more, POST-bubble. Have salaries and wages increased by the same amount since then? If so, I'd be earning around a cool $1 million per year. Hot damn, I'm getting screwed.

There's more to account for the increase in values than simply inflation. Homes just across the street from each other can experience significant differences in values, so imagine how much houses clear across the country can differ.

In some markets, yes, you're right...but then there's that other problem, which was that incomes weren't keeping up with appreciation, which was one of several reasons for the bubble bursting to begin with.

Post: Who does not use the 50% rule?

Joe SmithPosted
  • Akron, OH
  • Posts 77
  • Votes 2
Originally posted by Charles Perkins:
I consider the 50% rule, but have developed my own tools for analyzing potential deals. Having years of actual numbers in a specific area is helpful when forecasting numbers on a potential investment.

The 50% rule is only a guideline because many things can alter the actual outcome. Obviously if you self manage a property your costs will be different. How a property is metered can change who pays for utilities. Deferred maintenance both before and after purchase can change repair costs. Location can impact costly insurance coverages for earthquakes and floods.

Use the 50% rule as a tool. When you get serious though about a property you really should take the time to know the numbers better.

You'll also want to keep in mind that the 50% rule assumes that you are starting out with "market rents." If you rent at below market rates you may have less vacancy, but you will also have higher expenses in proportion to your rent which over time could easily mean costs are 55-60%.

The 50% rule is an easy way to sort through potential deals. Just don't let it get in the way of doing your due diligence.

My duplexes are all newish (post-1980) builds, and overall I average 43 - 48% expense ratios for the lifetime of the time I've owned them, but since putting more money in them at the time I purchased them, my annual the last few years has been closer to 40%, simply because almost anything that can break has already been replaced. Still, being conservative, I use 50% as an initial guideline.

Post: Who does not use the 50% rule?

Joe SmithPosted
  • Akron, OH
  • Posts 77
  • Votes 2
Originally posted by Will Barnard:
I would agree with that Joe, however, I would also add that this news should not totally turn investors away from appreciation plays.

For instance, Las vegas is a huge depressed market where you can pick up a 3+2 1500 sq. ft. home for around $50k. That is less than 1/2 the cost to build it. Eventually, things will level out and prices will have to get back to at least the cost to build. With that in mind, some areas may in fact have some long-term appreciation plays and some of these areas, like Vegas, also currently provide cash flow so you end up with the best of both worlds . . . IMHO

Good point, I keep forgetting about Vegas.

I will also say that the "appreciation" potential with buying right and rehabbing is of course still there, I was simply saying that the "buy at market, do nothing, and wait" method won't work for a while, with the few exceptions such as you mentioned.

Post: Who does not use the 50% rule?

Joe SmithPosted
  • Akron, OH
  • Posts 77
  • Votes 2
Originally posted by Mitch Kronowit:
I don't. I use a spreadsheet that spits out certain numbers. If those numbers are satisfactory, given the type and location of the property, then I'll pursue the purchase.

BTW, the wealthiest investors I've met or read about in California made their money in appreciation, not cash flow. I've said before most of the investors I've heard that don't believe in appreciation either live in flat markets, such as Houston, or simply haven't been in the game very long. Those that began investing in the last 5 years or so have known nothing but a DOWN market. Ask someone who's been in real estate for 15 or more years and ask them about appreciation.

They were in at the right time. Appreciation WILL NOT AND CAN NOT return to pre-bust levels for a VERY long time, the financing isn't there, the supply is too great, there are too many delinquent properties that banks just haven't foreclosed on yet, there are too many that banks haven't put on the market, and, in many markets, prices were so far out of line with incomes, it just can't do it again without Option ARMS, etc.

It will be a good 10 years before appreciation in most markets exceeds maybe 3 - 5% annually for more than a year or two (there will be short, sharp blips upward but not sustained, IMHO).

Originally posted by Don Konipol:
Being able to put together a nothing down purchase on any worthwhile property requires either great credit and access to borrowed money or vast experience and successful track record in investment real estate. I'm afraid that hopeing to do a $2 million purchase with no money and little experience will not produce a happy ending.

True dat. Actually the property in question isn't that great a deal IMHO, not a horrible one, but i've seen better.

I *have* heard of some zero down type commercial deals when there was a VERY motivated seller willing to carry the WHOLE note, but that's rare.

OK, this is a situation that I saw on another board and it got me thinking about it...just my brain working here.

It's a 9 acre single parcel of land, that has 2 single-family homes on it, and a fourplex. He lives in one of the houses and has for 8 years. He bought the property in 1999 for $330,000 and has lived in one of the SFR's ever since.

Here's the question...since it will be far easier financing-wise to split off the property into three seperate deeds/parcels and sell each individually, how would the capital gains tax issue be solved if he did so?

If he could sell each SFR for $110,000, and the fourplex for $220,000 (for example), how would the tax issue be dealt with?

I presume if he sold the WHOLE thing, he'd pay no tax as it would be his primary residence (except for depreciation recapture on the rented portions). However, if he split them up, and sold the one he lived in, how would he document that tax-wise?

For the other two, would the capital gains tax be determined by taking their portion of the value of the original purchase?

Post: Is it still possible to get really RICH

Joe SmithPosted
  • Akron, OH
  • Posts 77
  • Votes 2
Originally posted by Kevin Tunney:
In my opinion, of course it is still possible to get rich today. People are doing it every day. In fact, it’s easier than ever to get rich today (with the internet, automation, online business) than ever before, especially in real estate.

I’m working on building a completely automated online real estate investing business/community. Mark my words, "it's going to be legendary."

Good luck.

However, it's better to say it "It's going to be legen-----------wait for it---------
---------------------------------dary!!"