Skip to content
×
Pro Members Get
Full Access!
Get off the sidelines and take action in real estate investing with BiggerPockets Pro. Our comprehensive suite of tools and resources minimize mistakes, support informed decisions, and propel you to success.
Advanced networking features
Market and Deal Finder tools
Property analysis calculators
Landlord Command Center
ANNUAL Save 16%
$32.50 /mo
$390 billed annualy
MONTHLY
$39 /mo
billed monthly
7 day free trial. Cancel anytime
×
Try Pro Features for Free
Start your 7 day free trial. Pick markets, find deals, analyze and manage properties.
All Forum Categories
All Forum Categories
Followed Discussions
Followed Categories
Followed People
Followed Locations
Market News & Data
General Info
Real Estate Strategies
Landlording & Rental Properties
Real Estate Professionals
Financial, Tax, & Legal
Real Estate Classifieds
Reviews & Feedback

All Forum Posts by: Johnathan Le

Johnathan Le has started 1 posts and replied 14 times.

Post: No Cashflow Northern VA

Johnathan LePosted
  • New to Real Estate
  • Northern Virginia
  • Posts 14
  • Votes 4
Quote from @Andrew Postell:

@Johnathan Le if you are going to occupy this property as your primary home I would encourage you to examine it from that stance first.  Meaning, does it provide me a good commute time?  Is it safe for me and my family?  Are the school zones ok?  Do I like the neighborhood?  Am I comfortable with the payment while I live here?  And I'm sure there's TONS of other personal reasons to choose a home than even those that I mentioned.  The reason I'm saying it like this is that when I purchase my own primary home I have a lower down payment...which helps me "afford" a home easier.  But since I'm borrowing 95% of the property value (or more) my mortgage payment will ALWAYS be higher than that of an investment property.  Most of the time we are using 20% or 25% down for an investment property. Since I borrow less...my mortgage payment is lower.  My primary home I borrow more...so my mortgage payment is higher - always.  You will always struggle to "cashflow" with primary homes because of this.  But if that primary home provides me OTHER benefits (like those "personal reasons to buy a home" that I referenced above) then ok, now it's worth it because of X reason.  And AFTER I use that property to fulfill those "personal needs to buy a home" then I will move out and use it for a rental.  You can certainly rotate it every year if you want to...but you will never cashflow in that scenario - even if rates decrease.  You will still have an equity play in the property.  And there are certainly tax benefits to living in the property for 2 years...and then renting for 2 years...and then selling.  So, perfectly sound strategies out there that justify doing this.  But the expectation should be that you won't cash flow.

I hope all of that makes sense. 

Oh, I also wrote a post on this the topic of "cash flow" (but more of investment properties) that you can read HERE if you would like.  Thanks!


 Yes, this makes sense. I have been wanting to house hack, but if I want to cashflow, I understand that it might be feasible at the moment.

Post: No Cashflow Northern VA

Johnathan LePosted
  • New to Real Estate
  • Northern Virginia
  • Posts 14
  • Votes 4
Quote from @Ben Firstenberg:

I could be wrong, but by Northern VA, I assume you mean the DC area?

If so, I'm not surprised. Real estate in DC is sometimes just as competitive as New York or Chicago. Due to the government presence, your investment is incredibly secure compared to other cities and as a result, cap rates and cash flow will be lower. 

My advice would be to pursue a rent by the room model. Maybe something like FurnishedFinders. That's the "only" option, really, in these super competitive markets. It's what we do here in Atlanta too. After you've owned it for a few years, maybe paid down the mortgage, maybe rates come down... then you can refi and maybe make it work as an LTR.

Furthermore, your price point may be too high. I know it's a competitive market, but with the numbers you gave I calculate a purchase price of around $550k for a 1 bedroom? I have no idea what a typical 1 bedroom sells for in that area, but $550k for a 1 bed won't work as an investment anywhere outside of Manhattan


 Yes, I mean DC/Nova area. This is a one bedroom with a den, so a rent by the room would be difficult.

Post: No Cashflow Northern VA

Johnathan LePosted
  • New to Real Estate
  • Northern Virginia
  • Posts 14
  • Votes 4
Quote from @Brandon L.:
Quote from @Johnathan Le:

Hey BP,

I've been eager to enter the real estate market for a while now and have been a dedicated fan of BiggerPockets for years.

I visited a 1-bedroom condo in Ballston yesterday, and it has a small den.


After researching comparable rental prices, I believe I can rent it out for $2,700, with the lowest comp being $2,400. This would be after I’ve lived in it for a year.

Considering the current interest rate, my monthly payment would likely be $4,200 with a 5% down payment.

Another option would be to put 20% down instead making my payment $3,500.

Should I rely on the expectation of interest rates decreasing, property appreciation, and rising rental rates? This area typically sees rent increases.

I’ve been analyzing property numbers in my area, and it doesn’t appear to be cash-flow positive at the moment.
I just checked out everything in that area for sale and for rent. I would estimate your rent around 1600-2300 to be conservative. It really depends on the condition of the property. To get those higher rental rates it’s going to need to be top notch on the inside to compete with what is available. 

You could move your radius out a bit and find more affordable properties with equal amenities and convenience. 

As for the financing I would try to use the least amount of money out of your pocket as possible, and attempt to get closing costs from the seller. It’s possible with a little more patience. 



 For this particular unit, because it has a den, I saw that it rented for ~2700

Post: No Cashflow Northern VA

Johnathan LePosted
  • New to Real Estate
  • Northern Virginia
  • Posts 14
  • Votes 4

Hey BP,

I've been eager to enter the real estate market for a while now and have been a dedicated fan of BiggerPockets for years.

I visited a 1-bedroom condo in Ballston yesterday, and it has a small den.


After researching comparable rental prices, I believe I can rent it out for $2,700, with the lowest comp being $2,400. This would be after I’ve lived in it for a year.

Considering the current interest rate, my monthly payment would likely be $4,200 with a 5% down payment.

Another option would be to put 20% down instead making my payment $3,500.

Should I rely on the expectation of interest rates decreasing, property appreciation, and rising rental rates? This area typically sees rent increases.

I’ve been analyzing property numbers in my area, and it doesn’t appear to be cash-flow positive at the moment.