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All Forum Posts by: John B.

John B. has started 3 posts and replied 11 times.

Post: Educated But Lacking Funds

John B.Posted
  • Investor
  • Missouri
  • Posts 11
  • Votes 13
Quote from @Mike Klarman:

Hard Money is a real industry.  Now, does that mean there are phonies out there looking to collect upfront fees then ghost, sure.  That's any industry.

Hard Money is like a firearm, when used correctly by trained personnel it gets the job done, and done well, but when used by some cowboy who doesn't understand what they are holding, it can go sideways, especially some lenders DO NOT do closing funds check on borrowers which I think is crazy.

I've put together 40+ deals, and have brokered 100s more. I also get intel from the Seminar circuits and the conventions as my friend is a Senior L/O for a huge Hard Money company and he gets sent everywhere for them and his lender has lots of deals with those RE bootcamps where investors learn how to BRRRR and he sits in on all the lectures and we make notes.

There's a clear cut way to do this well, there's no doubt.  A big part of it is property sourcing.  You need to be a cash buyer who is an advantage buyer.  Foreclosures, Owner needs to get out, vacant for years, auction, short-sale, some wholesale but be picky.  You buy for cash at hopefully 60% - 80% of the market price.  Then you have 4 choices of exit:

1) Sell as-is for a profit.  You don't touch a thing.  You bought this property for 75k and someone on day one wants to give you 110k for it.  It isn't something you'd like to keep based on area, house type, parking, whatever and you can just make a private sale and make a 40% return in a few months.

2) Do a very light rehab and list it to be someone's rental purchase.  You're not gonna want to keep it, but someone else will because it should cash flow ok.  So you do a rental quality finish and then put it on the market.  Maybe 20k - 30k.  New floors, paint, redo the kitchen and bathrooms.  Now you get to list this for like double what you paid for it cause a portfolio building investor will come along and gobble it up.

3) Do a flip finish and put it up against the highest comps for the high return.  You go to a lender, and now you use Hard Money.  You cash out of the property and also ask for the rehab funds needed.  You go into an interest only bridge loan for like 6 months until the project is done and then list, hopefully it sells in month one.  But this is the biggest short term windfall.  B/C you started ahead of the game by purchasing under market.  So where the investor in option 1 enters at 110k and puts 80k in, you entered at 75k, and put 80k in.  His project cost is 190k, yours is 155k.  He really wants to sell at 280k but he'll have to sit maybe and catch the right buyer.  You can list the house for 260k and make more than him.

4) Do a nice rental finish and put it in the portfolio.  You like it, you wanna keep it.  Go to the lender, do the bridge loan with rehab, but when done get a renter and then refinance.  But only take what cash you have in, leave the rest in the house and keep the mortgages low and cash flow high.  Again, your mortgages will be way cheaper than the investor in option one.

Most of us are the investor in option 1, you gotta be the game master in a sense, not a player.  Cause I tell you, when you are the investor in option one buying at market or near market, when things go bad....your safety net shrinks up real fast.  When you are the game master with all 4 exit plans in place, getting stuck is not a thing really.

I just bought a property at Auction for 40k on Monday, plan is to sell it to a wholesaler for like 65k and they will offload for 70k - 75k.  But eventually you need to be playing in all the steps.  That's the goal, be burning and churning so many properties that you are exiting at every step all the time.


Incredibly enlightening response, thanks Mike.

Post: Secure file sharing and sensitive data protection?

John B.Posted
  • Investor
  • Missouri
  • Posts 11
  • Votes 13

Lenders, brokers, and other professionals collecting sensitive data - how are you accomplishing client data collection and sharing in a secure way? I've searched BP and most posts about this issue are a few years old at least, so I'm hoping to get some insight from others who do this regularly. Please keep in mind I'm still in the "planning" phase of lending so this may be a basic question... I'm also going to be transacting a very low volume (2-4 loans a year for the first few years).

In my experience operating a service business, Docusign was a great tool to get sensitive documents shared and signed. But in the lending space, we may need to collect W2s, paystubs, bank statements and the like, and I'm thinking it might be easiest for clients to send a lot of it via smartphone photos.


Docusign wouldn't work for this, and I have concerns about the true security of Dropbox and similar cloud storage (contact support for any of these providers and the support person almost always has complete access to your files - doesn't feel secure enough to me for storing borrower social security numbers or statements with bank account numbers visible).

In researching how other private lenders are operating, I see many of them have custom websites with (assumed) encrypted backends - as a small lender, the cost of custom web presence is prohibitive and probably unnecessary until I reach a higher deal flow.

So am I overthinking this aspect? Does anyone have experience with an affordable and dependable service? Thanks!

Quote from @Amanda Rechsteiner:

Hi BiggerPockets community!

I’m excited to make my first post here. While I’m new to the community, I’m definitely not new to real estate—I live, breathe, and love it! I’m looking forward to connecting, learning, and growing together.

My background is in SFR and long and mid term rentals. I've built a rental portfolio and managed every aspect from acquisition to property management. Recently, I discovered a significant demand for mid-term rentals in a particular Michigan market, particularly from highly qualified traveling professionals (not just nurses!). The demand far exceeds supply, and I've had to turn away weekly requests for the past three months now. This is an opportunity I'm eager to seize, but I need to expand my network of private money lenders or equity partners to make it happen.

Currently, I work with private lenders who fund down payments in exchange for monthly payments until they’re paid back from cash flow (12-24 month terms). The returns are great, and my investors love working with me—but they’re all tied up in existing projects, including a major flip. I need to connect with more private lenders for 12-24 month loans, typically $20K-$40K per property, with purchase prices ranging from $110K-$160K. Facebook groups have been full of scams, and my personal network is currently tapped out - but the opportunities keep coming in and I hate to watch them keep leaving! Any recommendations on where to meet trustworthy private lenders that want a good and safe investment and stay removed from property management themselves? This is truly just a small loan. My current investors roll their money right back into my next projects but as I've stated, I've hit my ceiling with them and need to expand this network and these opportunities to others but I am stuck on where to meet more people!

My second question involves apartment building syndication and financing. I’m negotiating an off-market deal for an 11-unit property with value-add potential and room for additional apartments. The purchase price is $1.6M, and I’m looking to raise the down payment through partners. I’d run the entire project and handle property management, offering investors a preferred return and possibly additional incentives. I’d love advice, recommended podcasts, or insights on syndicating and financing my first multifamily deal. I’m working on a Letter of Intent with a commercial broker and leaning heavily into the wisdom of others with experience in this space. 

Thanks in advance for your insights and support! I’m looking forward to connecting with like-minded investors and building long-lasting relationships. I am all for mutually beneficial deals and partnerships.

Amanda Rechsteiner Realtor & Real Estate Investor


Glad to see you've arrived Amanda! Just a quick question on your SFR deals - are your lenders who finance down payments secured in first or second lien positions?

Also (and this may be a little too detailed for a forum reply), are you utilizing agreements that outline payments tied to rental income? Meaning, if a unit is vacant for a period or experiences tenant issues, payment to the lender is delayed for that period?
Quote from @Mike Grudzien:

Get the book: "Lend to Live" here on BP in the Bookstore.


Just finished this today, an incredible resource! Thanks Mike
Quote from @Patrick Roberts:

Find a local experienced lender to partner with. Doesnt have to be some formal JV deal where you combine funds, but someone who will share risk with you in individual deals and help you with underwriting, credit analysis, and processing.

Lending is a skillset, and there's a lot that goes into underwriting a deal and preserving your capital. 

You wont need to do a ton of marketing with the amount of capital youre starting with. Your capital will be deployed with 1-3 loans, so unless you plan to have another outlet (like brokering to other lenders), that part can wait until later. 

You'll want to dig deeply into how you set up your banking. A lot of financial institutions do not allow lenders as customers and will close/freeze your accounts if youre lending out of accounts under the guise of a different business line. You should be able to order and send wires in under 24 hours with whatever institution you choose. 

There's way too much to cover to type it all out here. Youre best bet is to partner with someone local to you who is experienced and can guide you along the path with this. You'll definitely want to find a good attorney partner who can review title work and commitments/policies at the very minimum. Geraci will be able to draft your loan docs, but I dont know if they will review title - I've never tried that part with them. Jeff Watson is an attorney in Ohio who specializes in private lending, and some of his content would be a good resource for you. Hard Money Bankers has a great podcast for private lenders as well. 

Patrick, just circling back here as I learn more. To your point about issues with establishing bank accounts as a lender, does this have to do with NAICS coding for the lender’s entity?

522292 would be the NAICS code for a PML operating the way I plan (loans secured by real estate). Is this a key point to open with when approaching prospective banks? And are there any institutions with good reputation as the “lender’s bank”? 
Quote from @Stephanie Potts:
What would be the NAICS code for a hard money lending business. I have tried using 522292 and I keep getting rejected by banks when I try to set up a business bank account. They say it’s a prohibited business for them.

Interested in this myself as a new PML since I’ve yet to establish banking and have heard from others about this type of difficulty. 

Are you operating a fund / using others’ capital? (Assuming so since you used the term “hard money”)

Quote from @Deborah Wodell:

Really enjoyed reading your post — sounds like you're being thoughtful and doing your homework, which is huge. 

I’m a private lender and broker myself, and honestly, your conservative approach (entity-only, 1st liens, solid underwriting, etc.) is exactly the kind of foundation that sets you up for long-term success. Most of the lessons you’re anticipating—like managing idle capital or balancing reputation with limited funds—are spot on.

For liquidity, I’d look into high-yield business savings or money market accounts with same-day transfer capabilities. A few online banks are great for this. As for reputation while working with a smaller capital pool, transparency helps a lot—position yourself as a relationship-based boutique lender who funds quality over quantity. That actually appeals to many investors.

When it comes to reviewing deals, here’s what’s helped me:

  • Start simple: I ask for the basics upfront — purchase price, rehab budget, ARV, and timeline. I want to see how they got their numbers (comps, scope of work, etc.) to see if they've done the homework or are guessing.

  • Borrower & exit plan: I pay close attention to the borrower's experience and how they plan to exit. Even if they’re newer, if they’ve got a solid contractor, agent, and some skin in the game, I’ll consider it.

  • Keep it within your LTV comfort zone: I personally don't go above 65–70% of ARV. If it's a heavy rehab or a tight deal, I either pass or structure it with a smaller draw to start.

  • Protect your downside: Get yourself on the insurance, confirm the entity setup, and don’t skip verifying basic things like ownership and reserves. Your instincts will get sharper with every deal you look at. 

You'll definitely learn a ton just by walking through a few deals. Trust your gut — if something feels off, it usually is. And don't rush into funding something just because the borrower’s in a hurry

Also — I highly recommend getting plugged into your local investor community. Even just one good private lender or investor in your area can be a huge resource (or even a future partner). People are often more open to teaming up than you’d expect.

Appreciate the reply Deborah! When you’re vetting these aspects of the borrower profile, how much background are you typically doing? Have you found checking references and deal history or credit/criminal to be useful? 


Indeed I’ve seen Beth and Alexandria in a lot of content in my research and finally pulled the trigger on their book last week. I like the two viewpoints you get with them- one focuses more on the borrower and the other the asset/property.

Having not gone through my first deal yet I’m anticipating a more asset based approach when underwriting, but suspect in a smaller market like mine that relationships may be a bigger factor.

This type of specific insight is exactly what I was after when I posted, thanks Patrick. When I’m choosing an institution I’ll assume being upfront and transparent about my business will help mitigate issues like this. 

Hello BP community,

Midwest here with a business plan and lots of questions. I’ll number them as I go since I know you all love that! First some background: I have never directly invested in real estate before outside of owning/renovating my own homes.

Over the last 6 months I’ve spent ~120 hours (and continuing always) educating myself on private lending, the different capital structures and deployment strategies. This self-education is built on top of almost 10 years cumulative experience operating two small service businesses (very small scale single-member LLCs), and what feels like a lifetime of rehabbing personal residences (3 homes, 2 of which were gut rehabs). I’m no longer involved with those businesses so have ample time for focusing on this lending idea.

I consider myself “semi-sophisticated” when it comes to investing, and also enjoy learning about legal processes and theory. I do not have any formal education or training in business or finance, just a general college education. I am slightly obsessed with real estate and know my local area well. I have a basic understanding of how closing works (have sat at the table twice), the local foreclosure process (non-judicial state here), and loan agreements.

     What I’ve decided so far: To operate as a PML for real estate investors and flippers/BRRRR'ers. Will use strict parameters like no out of state properties (at least until I'm experienced enough that I can confidently analyze remote markets, might be willing to travel for this once established), commercial use only loans with borrower signed affidavits, collateralized by the property and secured by deed of trust with first position liens only, made only to entities with EINs and no layered structures unless ownership is verified, with conservative underwriting such as 65-70% LTV, cash reserves to cover interest payments + 15% project cost etc…

     With all that said, I’m aware some aspects of private lending might only become clear through experience. Doing the thing. For example, I’m aware typical timelines in this business are relatively short (~1 week). I’m thinking about where to keep my capital so it’s not dying in a low interest business checking account but remains accessible. Where it sits now earning a relatively high yield with Edward Jones, transfers can take a couple days. Maybe it’s just a matter of organizing transfers so that they’re available/able to be verified before closing and a short period of idling has to be accepted, or maybe I’m overthinking this. “The money is the product” as I like to remind myself and I want to offer a reliable product.

Qs:

  1. How do experienced private lenders manage cash so it’s available at closing without sacrificing too much yield?

  2. Are there institutions or account types preferred for fast, reliable lending operations?

Addressing scale… this will be a small but serious venture, starting with my own capital of $225K (plus ~10% reserves). I plan to reinvest all net returns back into the business and once I’ve proven enough success I may gain access to further capital from family (but that’s another discussion). For the first 2-3 years it’ll be a one man show and I have no issues working actively (I don’t expect nor am I targeting “passive” income, I intend to make this a real business with strategic growth).

I anticipate funding either smaller loans in C/D neighborhoods where I won’t get the whole 225 out at once, but may be simpler to service, OR higher-end flips in upper C neighborhoods which may have more draws and complexity. Median sales price for my area is $290k and active inventory is still 40-50% of pre pandemic levels.

Qs:

     3. Are there other common deal types or borrower scenarios I should expect at this scale?

     4. Am I overlooking any major operational challenges tied to either of these approaches?

     5. Has anyone started this way and thrived?

How exactly do you handle having a small amount of capital? I foresee reputation issues if I’m having to turn down everyone 8-10 months out of the year (depending on term lengths and loan performance). In fact I’ve spent a lot of time considering branding in a “boutique” style to align with this limited approach.

As for insurance, I believe an E&O policy will cover my needs since I won't have a physical office or business property to insure under a general liability or BOP policy. I understand that separate policies like builder's risk should be in place for individual loans, naming my entity as loss payee.

Qs:

     6. How do small lenders manage reputational risk and marketing when capital is limited?

     7. Is branding as a boutique lender smart or short-sighted?

     8. Am I overlooking any insurance needs on the business operations side?

This all might be coming from risk aversion cultivated during my renovations of pre-1970s homes, or simply my nature of needing to feel completely prepared before taking on new challenges. I’m wondering if there are trustworthy and useful private lending consultants to help someone just starting out like this. Geraci is mentioned a lot for legal support and I’ve identified a couple local attorneys as well, but I’m thinking more about the broader context of business development.

I'm not too interested in JV'ing and mastermind/course offerings all seem to be geared towards the fund model or higher net worth individuals with greater starting capital. I have attended a local REIA meeting but it seemed like a platform for other local lenders to find borrowers and I'm not sure I'm ready to engage with either of those demographics (worried about being perceived as competition by the very small local industry of private lenders, and don't want to face exposure to borrowers before I'm even setup and ready).

Last Q:

     9. Are there trustworthy private lending consultants who can assist with early-stage business development on this scale? And is that even a worthwhile consideration here?

Thanks for reading through, I’m open to discussion and appreciate all replies!