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All Forum Posts by: John Leonard

John Leonard has started 5 posts and replied 23 times.

Post: First Deal Done! Lessons Learned. But Now What?

John LeonardPosted
  • Rental Property Investor
  • Statesville, NC
  • Posts 23
  • Votes 12

My first investment property

Learned a lot, not a home run, but it is a start.

Before I begin let me give you “the back story” on me.

My wife and I have known since we started dating 5 years ago that we wanted to own buy and hold investment properties for our long term retirement plans. We both work 55-60 hrs per week as retail store managers. We have three children 6, 2, 3 months. Last spring we joined our RIA. We heard a great presentation from Coach Carson. On our drive home we realized we were not ready. We had built our credit, had our primary home, and had only some money saved. We made a commitment to cut expenses, and put money in the bank. And that we did. Fast forward a year and we had eliminated 1 vehicle, all credit card debt (Well all but 0% interest flooring for our home), and banked $15k in investable cash. I was also able to open a $15K PLOC at my bank. And that sets the stage for the past two months.

My third child was born in June, and I took some time off of course. My first day back to work I came home aggravated and frazzled. I looked at my wife and said, "We are buying a rental property by the end of the month! I'm done talking and I'm done over analyzing looking for the unicorn." So within 4 days we I had a preapproval for a conventional FHA loan. And we put an offer in on a duplex in a part of town that is near downtown, but on the up swing. Our offer was accepted. Here is where the math and details come in.

It was $156,000.Using the FHA loan I had to put down right at $7500 all said and done. A far cry from the $32,000 a traditional loan would have cost me. I got a 3.5% 30 year term. Of course being FHA it has to be owner occupied. So here is how that works. Our primary home is titled to us both but the mortgage is in my wife's name. The duplex is titled to us both, but the mortgage is in my name. I will be moving into the duplex legally while I remodel one side over the next 6 months. Each unit needs about $5k in updates to bring it to market rents. After I finish Unit B, I will flip the tenets into the freshly remodeled unit at market rates if they wish to stay. I will then move into unit A for 6 months. After that I will have met my legally required 12 month primary residency requirements and rent out unit A.

During this time it will be a negative cash flow position. I know, I know…but I have budgeted for that. I will be negative $600/month for the first 6 months, and then negative $400/month the last 6 months. So that’s $6,000. But even at that it was cheaper than putting down the $32,000 (which I didn’t have anyways). I kind of consider it financing an extended down payment at 0%.

Currently the units gross $1,150/month combined. It this market a class B finished 2/1 apartment is $900/month. For $5k each unit will have luxury vinyl plank flooring, tile tub surrounds, new cabinets, granite tops, fresh paint, and going to add about $500 in "smart" fixture such as NEST and Alexa enable lights. Now here is the kicker. The duplex sits on a full basement. It is divided in half. It needs some waterproofing, but otherwise very nice. The previous property manager was giving the tenets full use of the basement at no extra charge! That is about 600sqft (less engineering things) each for free! After the remodels the tenants will have the option of including the space for an additional $100/month. Still a better deal than a storage unit. And if they say no, then I can put them on craigslist at $100 each as just storage units. So $900 per unit, plus $100 per storage space brings me to $2,000/mo. My PIT and PMI is $1,050. Like I said not a home run, but it is a start. And I think that is what is important. And again, we have budgeted, and have funds for this plan of execution.

Now…what I learned, and what stressed me!

FIRPTA! Google it! The seller was a foreign national. To make matter worse the listing agent was a family member of the people he bought it from, and a friend of the family. The short skinny on FIRPTA is that 25% of the gross must be submitted to the IRS by the BUYER! Not really a problem, all I had to do was direct the closing attorney to withhold the funds. There are some exceptions to this withholding, but if it is not done, and it is determined by the IRS that the seller owed, the you the BUYER are responsible! Thats right! I’d be on the hook for $39,000 tax bill! Not a chance.

Sadly the agent really pushed for me to sign an affidavit saying that I intended t olive in the property for 24 moths so her friend wouldn’t have to submit the with holding. She even stated “Hes a foreigner he doesn’t pay taxes”. To which I educated her that he was conducting business in the US and Uncle Sam wants his money. I was prepared to walk and go find another property. After 4 delays the deal got done after the agent found an international tax attorney who confirmed what I had said. And in fact the seller owed two back years of taxes, and that her brokerage who was holding the money in escrow the entire two years should have dispersed funds, etc etc… So after the agent and seller realizing that taxes are as unavoidable just like death, the deal was inked. Add one delay because he is an Iraqi, and the title needed to be notarized at the US Embassy by the Vice Counsel to the embassy. But it was done, closed a month late.

So where to now? One property won’t make us financially independent. We’ve tapped out our personal funds. And we are honestly extended as far as a conventional bank would be willing to loan us a conventional mortgage (currently). In 4-5 years we want our personal residence to become a solid class B rental at about $1250/month on $800/month expenses.

For now We just set up an LLC. I'm thinking hard money lenders, BRRRR is my thoughts if I can find the right deal, the right lenders, and the right refi company.

I’m proud we’ve gotten started. I’m scared, but oh well. Stressed over finding time to renovate and manage a duplex (management and contractors in the future, but this one is going to require brute strength…builds character right?).

If you’re me what do you do for your next property? What would your time frame be?

Just want to shout out to everyone at Bigger Pockets, and these forums I lurk. You all have taught me so much! 

Post: PMI on Bank & Owner Financing?

John LeonardPosted
  • Rental Property Investor
  • Statesville, NC
  • Posts 23
  • Votes 12

@Tom S.

Thanks Tom, that’s good to know!

Post: PMI on Bank & Owner Financing?

John LeonardPosted
  • Rental Property Investor
  • Statesville, NC
  • Posts 23
  • Votes 12

@Jaysen Medhurst

House was a dude, represented as a 4br when it’s a 3. And it had foundation issues from years of people punching holes through it for one pipe or another..

Pass!

Post: PMI on Bank & Owner Financing?

John LeonardPosted
  • Rental Property Investor
  • Statesville, NC
  • Posts 23
  • Votes 12

@Jaysen Medhurst

Yeah not in a spot to do cash (eventually that’s my goal). As I’m just getting started.

Yeah I wouldn’t do the $139k asking with conventional financing.

I’ll know more after tomorrow’s walk!

Post: PMI on Bank & Owner Financing?

John LeonardPosted
  • Rental Property Investor
  • Statesville, NC
  • Posts 23
  • Votes 12

@Jaysen Medhurst

Thanks, all really good points! Doing my first walk through tomorrow. So I’m not sure on total condition of the property. Pictures are limited.

Comps would be $200-$225k. It’s a 4br brick two story just on the edge of our historic downtown area. I’m about 50mins north of Charlotte, NC. The whole downtown area gentrified, turned low income, turned rental area, and now these houses are being bought up quickly and refurbished, then sold. Some nicer ones north of $300k.

I’d estimate $40-60k at least depending on how much work I’d do. But a full kitchen, and two bath remodel plus refinish and repair all the hardwood floors, paint. Unsure of HVAC age but it’s forced air.

I can get a conventional loan. We have the cash for the down payment. I’d love to be able to save the cash though. As we will have a rental we need reserves for, and of course getting started on the rehab.

And yeah....this is baby #3! But you know kids adapt! It’s me and my wife that go crazy! Lol

I also know I rent comps would be $1200-1300 if I decided to rent it out instead of flipping it.

Post: PMI on Bank & Owner Financing?

John LeonardPosted
  • Rental Property Investor
  • Statesville, NC
  • Posts 23
  • Votes 12

My wife and I are looking to buy a new PR and convert our existing one to a rental. With a new baby on the way we could use the room. The plan is for the new home to be a live in flip for 2-4 years. I am going to look at a property this week. Notes on the property are possible seller financing. Last sale price was $54k in 2001. So obvious equity in the home. It’s listed for 139,900. It needs complete updating but appears to be a very good candidate for our plan.

My goal was to offer 3 offers on the home: 100% owner financed price, hybrid bank and owner finance, and conventional loan price. All based on homes condition, comps, etc.

My question is this: if we did 30% owner financing, would the conventional loan still require PMI? Or since they'd be in a first position at 70% they wouldn't?

Thanks!

Post: How I Am Starting in REI

John LeonardPosted
  • Rental Property Investor
  • Statesville, NC
  • Posts 23
  • Votes 12
Years ago my wife and I met, and I discovered she wanted to own buy and hold homes the same way I did to generate cash flow. Fast forward 3 years... we’ve both built our credit, bought our primary residence, have two kids with a third on the way, solid middle class jobs, and some consumer debt. We were gung-ho to get going in 2019 after bonus and tax time to get a rental property finally. I started studying, reading, etc. we attended our local REIA and listened to Chad Carson. Great presentation. We left and on our 45min drive home decided the consumer debt had to go first. So that is what we are working on. But! The itch is there. So I thought, “How can I make money to invest that won’t detract from our debt pay down?” I’m an avid Gary Vee fan. And he got me thinking and I started recalling back in 2010-2011 I had a serious book flipping business going online. But I moved away from DFW and my supply is nonexistent in small town USA now. However....the Goodwills and yard sales abound! So I hatched a plan... I will start with old stuff laying around my home I don’t use. Sale it on eBay. Use that money to go find and buy stuff to flip on eBay. Build it, keep it growing with a goal of 12 months and $25,000! Think I’m crazy? I started on 11/1/18. Today is 11/11/18. I’ve made $600 profit so far! $500/wk gets me past my goal. I am so pumped it’s not funny. I’ll admit I’m in love with the entire story of this. I WANT to be able to tell people I bought investment property by flipping goodwill finds on EBay! I’m documenting the process on my YouTube channel, Twitter, Instagram. Going to stack paper, and then in 12 months unleash my army of dollars to go to work for me!

Post: What is the best RE-related 9 to 5 job?

John LeonardPosted
  • Rental Property Investor
  • Statesville, NC
  • Posts 23
  • Votes 12
@Thomas S. That is probably the most succinct advise I’ve heard about your day job. Thank you! I needed to hear that too. I’ve been in retail management for 18 years. I’m anxious to get going with our second property, but we’ve decide to take 12-18 months and pay down consumer debt, finish our current home remodel so we will be ready to move on, rent it out, and repeat again and start building....I’m just impatient. I’ll be 41 in a month and have two small kids I want more time with. But yeah...I just need to work and stack paper right now. So thank you for the reminder!

Post: Buying Retail Properties to turn into Rentals

John LeonardPosted
  • Rental Property Investor
  • Statesville, NC
  • Posts 23
  • Votes 12
@Curt Smith Thanks for all the info in your reply. As someone just starting out that is a ton of knowledge you just laid out!

Post: Questions to ask mortgage broker at 1st meeting

John LeonardPosted
  • Rental Property Investor
  • Statesville, NC
  • Posts 23
  • Votes 12
Well, I met with my mortgage broker. It was a good meeting. She is working for just one lender so it was just a conversation on what they can offer. Which is a traditional mortgage with 20% down, I need 6 months of reserves ( I have for the price range I’m looking which is no more than $135k. The two kickers I’m not fond of are: Only a 2% seller assist is allowed, and I can not close under an LLC. But otherwise she can get a deal done quickly. I also spoke with a HML, no points, 10-11%, $1750 fees, $150 credit check if we find a deal and are ready to move forward, and they loan 75-80% ARV, but start at $100k Going to keep networking and finding the right products and connections!