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Post: Don't buy real estate in Detroit...

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Quote from @Jon K.:
Hey @Jonathan Weinberger, curious what your average cashflow is after all expenses on your portfolio if you don't mind sharing.
Edit: Didn't see you post a reply with that answer just a few responses above. Please disregard!
All good. Most months a few thousand. As time goes on, rents increase, it will climb.
This is due to purchasing with leverage vs - owning the best 10 performing homes. If I did that - it would be $10k/month and probably awesome lol
even with 27 doors - I’ll have months where we legit break even. Lucky the 27 doors make up for all the expenses. I’m never out of pocket on the portfolio. (Which is why economy of scale is so important)
Post: Don't buy real estate in Detroit...

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Quote from @V.G Jason:
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Quote from @Steve K.:
Thanks for the update on how this went. I remember commenting that your projections from a few years ago were optimistic IMO. Sorry it didn't work out the way you had hoped and much respect for the honest update. I think the biggest issue is that your rents aren't high enough to keep up with all the expenses associated with owning property over time.
I mean - I’m not negative lol. Everything pays for itself. Even cashflows. It’s just not the jet and lambo life I thought.
Renting a private jet regularly(1-2x month) requires about $1million in net monthly cash to justify it for it's time benefits. $100k/mo give or take $20-30k depending on where and how far is your base cost.
You could have a built a semi luxury 4-6 plane hangar in an area that accommodates a lot of air traffic. Just create & rent out the infrastructure. That would get you closer to owning a plane, ideally 2, one you rent out 100% of the time the other you rent out 50% of the time/use 50% of the time.
What told you a $2.4million investment in Detroit would create that for you?
A Lambo isn't really expensive, you could've bought one in cash with all this money. Not the best investment, but I get it.
lol
$600k to acquire $2.4M? I think I did okay.
Nah. Post was about beginners not entering the market here. Can’t afford 10 doors in Detroit? Pass.
portfolio is stable. Cash flowing. It’s equity rich. The $5k it makes a month isn’t buying a jet any time soon lol - that was the point
Post: Don't buy real estate in Detroit...

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Quote from @Matthew Paul:
All that Section 8 income sounds ok . But the current administration has mentioned limiting the time frame on benefits . I dont know how , if or when it will occur . But I wouldnt be putting all my eggs in that basket
Post: Don't buy real estate in Detroit...

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Quote from @V.G Jason:
Quote from @Jonathan Weinberger:
Quote from @V.G Jason:
Quote from @Jonathan Weinberger:
Quote from @Steve K.:
Thanks for the update on how this went. I remember commenting that your projections from a few years ago were optimistic IMO. Sorry it didn't work out the way you had hoped and much respect for the honest update. I think the biggest issue is that your rents aren't high enough to keep up with all the expenses associated with owning property over time.
I mean - I’m not negative lol. Everything pays for itself. Even cashflows. It’s just not the jet and lambo life I thought.
Renting a private jet regularly(1-2x month) requires about $1million in net monthly cash to justify it for it's time benefits. $100k/mo give or take $20-30k depending on where and how far is your base cost.
You could have a built a semi luxury 4-6 plane hangar in an area that accommodates a lot of air traffic. Just create & rent out the infrastructure. That would get you closer to owning a plane, ideally 2, one you rent out 100% of the time the other you rent out 50% of the time/use 50% of the time.
What told you a $2.4million investment in Detroit would create that for you?
A Lambo isn't really expensive, you could've bought one in cash with all this money. Not the best investment, but I get it.
lol
$600k to acquire $2.4M? I think I did okay.
What? Where did I say that? What disaster? 27 properties. $2.4M. $600k spent. Cashflow positive…
This was a post for beginners to not buy here. Unless they can buy 10 doors it’s not worth it - without economy of scale - you’ll drown.
Far from disaster. The point was $5k in cash flow isn’t buying me a jet anytime soon lol
Post: Don't buy real estate in Detroit...

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Quote from @Matthew Paul:
All that Section 8 income sounds ok . But the current administration has mentioned limiting the time frame on benefits . I dont know how , if or when it will occur . But I wouldnt be putting all my eggs in that basket
Post: Don't buy real estate in Detroit...

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Quote from @Jay Hinrichs:
Quote from @V.G Jason:
Quote from @Jonathan Weinberger:
Quote from @Steve K.:
Thanks for the update on how this went. I remember commenting that your projections from a few years ago were optimistic IMO. Sorry it didn't work out the way you had hoped and much respect for the honest update. I think the biggest issue is that your rents aren't high enough to keep up with all the expenses associated with owning property over time.
I mean - I’m not negative lol. Everything pays for itself. Even cashflows. It’s just not the jet and lambo life I thought.
Renting a private jet regularly(1-2x month) requires about $1million in net monthly cash to justify it for it's time benefits. $100k/mo give or take $20-30k depending on where and how far is your base cost.
You could have a built a semi luxury 4-6 plane hangar in an area that accommodates a lot of air traffic. Just create & rent out the infrastructure. That would get you closer to owning a plane, ideally 2, one you rent out 100% of the time the other you rent out 50% of the time/use 50% of the time.
What told you a $2.4million investment in Detroit would create that for you?
A Lambo isn't really expensive, you could've bought one in cash with all this money. Not the best investment, but I get it.
one can get a net jet subscription for about 125 to 150k and depending on the Jet then you burn off 5k to 10k per hour when Use it.
That sounds like a better idea and more tangible for me right now. Looking into it lol
Post: Don't buy real estate in Detroit...

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Quote from @V.G Jason:
Quote from @Jonathan Weinberger:
Quote from @Steve K.:
Thanks for the update on how this went. I remember commenting that your projections from a few years ago were optimistic IMO. Sorry it didn't work out the way you had hoped and much respect for the honest update. I think the biggest issue is that your rents aren't high enough to keep up with all the expenses associated with owning property over time.
I mean - I’m not negative lol. Everything pays for itself. Even cashflows. It’s just not the jet and lambo life I thought.
Renting a private jet regularly(1-2x month) requires about $1million in net monthly cash to justify it for it's time benefits. $100k/mo give or take $20-30k depending on where and how far is your base cost.
You could have a built a semi luxury 4-6 plane hangar in an area that accommodates a lot of air traffic. Just create & rent out the infrastructure. That would get you closer to owning a plane, ideally 2, one you rent out 100% of the time the other you rent out 50% of the time/use 50% of the time.
What told you a $2.4million investment in Detroit would create that for you?
A Lambo isn't really expensive, you could've bought one in cash with all this money. Not the best investment, but I get it.
lol
$600k to acquire $2.4M? I think I did okay.
Post: Don't buy real estate in Detroit...

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Quote from @Steve K.:
Thanks for the update on how this went. I remember commenting that your projections from a few years ago were optimistic IMO. Sorry it didn't work out the way you had hoped and much respect for the honest update. I think the biggest issue is that your rents aren't high enough to keep up with all the expenses associated with owning property over time.
I mean - I’m not negative lol. Everything pays for itself. Even cashflows. It’s just not the jet and lambo life I thought.
Post: Don't buy real estate in Detroit...

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Quote from @Eric Fernwood:
Hello @Jonathan Weinberger,
The bigger issue with investing in any city where rents don’t outpace inflation is that you can’t achieve lasting financial independence. To maintain lifelong financial independence, rental income must increase faster than inflation. This does not happen in cities without significant and sustained population growth.
Take Detroit as an example. Its population growth from 2020 to 2024 was only +0.19% (and those were the Covid migration boom years). Rents fell in Detroit last year by 2.7%. U.S. inflation averaged about 4.55% per year over the past five years.
Looking at the impact of inflation on current buying power. Suppose rents increase at 2%/Yr over the next 30 years, inflation averages 4%/Yr, and your current total rental income is $10,000/Mo, here’s what happens to that income in today’s dollars:
- In 10: years $8,235 (a 17.65% decrease in buying power)
- In 20. years: $6,782 (a 32.18% decrease)
- In 30 years: $5,585 (a 44.15% decrease)
So even though your rent increases to $12,190 ($10,000 x (1 + 2%)^10) after 10 years, inflation erodes its value to the equivalent of $8,235 today. This is why, no matter how many properties you own in cities where rent growth lags behind inflation, you can’t achieve long-term financial independence.
Now let’s compare this to Las Vegas. Since 2015, the single-family home segment rents have increased on average by 7%/Yr. Starting with the same $10,000 monthly income, here’s what that looks like in today’s dollars:
- Year 10: $13,289 (a 33% increase in buying power)
- Year 20: $17,660 (a 77% increase)
- Year 30: $23,470 (a 135% increase)
When rent growth consistently outpaces inflation, your buying power rises over time, allowing you to improve your standard of living.
Summary
The city where you invest determines long term income, not properties.
insightful. Appreciate the data and links!
Post: Don't buy real estate in Detroit...

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Quote from @John Clark:
Have you thought about selling the entire portfolio all at once rather than one at a time? A small class B multifamily using a Starker exchange would be a lot less headache.
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