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All Forum Posts by: Jon Riley

Jon Riley has started 1 posts and replied 9 times.

Quote from @Adrian Stamer:
Quote from @Jon Riley:

First off, I am a new investor so don't assume something is obvious as I probably don't know about it yet.   I am trying to buy a 1952 12-plex. Seller wants 1.3 million I would suggest 900k but I can't find a loan that has a long term lower interest and lower down. I was quoted 75% coverage ( 25% down) up to 20 year term and 7.95 - 8.95 interest 

I was hoping for 20% or less for a down on a 30 year and of course as low an interest rate as possible.  Any ideas?  I would appreciate it.

 I work specifically in this area, properties too big for your first timers looking for a duplex yet too small to be interesting for government multi financing. The key is calling every single small bank/credit union in the greater area around the property and asking them all what they offer. They will all vary in loan products. Some could be 7% or others could be 8%. Some could give better terms on 1-4 units but worse on 4+ units and vise versa. I rarely see 30 year amortization… I see banks offering 15%-20% down far more often. It’s not too often I find banks willing to let a seller take the second, but when you find that bank it is very useful. The seller wants full price? Have them give you a low 0-5% second or finance it entirely to get the deal done


 Thanks for the advice. I still need to call around .ore but I have already found better loans from both a local bank and credit union. 

Quote from @Timothy Hero:

With all due respect, unrealistic expectations. Swaps are at a 15-year high, so wanting anything under 8% is already wishful thinking, and to top it off, you want to put down less than 25%, which eliminates 95% of lenders right there.


What I want and what I can work with are a little different. However, I have gotten quoted for 25 down with a 10 yr fixed 25 yr term and 7.5 to 8 rate.  So I'd have to say it's not unrealistic.  Having patience and doing the work needed has paid off well.  I am still looking for a better deal. "You make your money when you buy."  

I don't want a loan from 95 percent of lenders. I want the best loan for my situation. 

I do appreciate the feedback though. The struggle to put together the best deal has been a good learning experience. One thing I learned recently was that I wasn't calculating my CapEx very well and adjusted for it.

I appreciate everyone's advice that has commented.

Quote from @Adrian Stamer:
Quote from @Jon Riley:

First off, I am a new investor so don't assume something is obvious as I probably don't know about it yet.   I am trying to buy a 1952 12-plex. Seller wants 1.3 million I would suggest 900k but I can't find a loan that has a long term lower interest and lower down. I was quoted 75% coverage ( 25% down) up to 20 year term and 7.95 - 8.95 interest 

I was hoping for 20% or less for a down on a 30 year and of course as low an interest rate as possible.  Any ideas?  I would appreciate it.

 I work specifically in this area, properties too big for your first timers looking for a duplex yet too small to be interesting for government multi financing. The key is calling every single small bank/credit union in the greater area around the property and asking them all what they offer. They will all vary in loan products. Some could be 7% or others could be 8%. Some could give better terms on 1-4 units but worse on 4+ units and vise versa. I rarely see 30 year amortization… I see banks offering 15%-20% down far more often. It’s not too often I find banks willing to let a seller take the second, but when you find that bank it is very useful. The seller wants full price? Have them give you a low 0-5% second or finance it entirely to get the deal done


 I wish he would finance it. I originally wanted to subto his loan and seller finance the rest. However, he says he can't because he is selling his 1031. I really don't know why he would want to pay taxes on it now after deferring taxes previously but I don't fully understand the actual tax implications of selling yet.

Quote from @Zach Edelman:

Don't think this product exists unfortunately. Most DSCR lenders for 5+ units on acquisitions are at a maximum of 75% down. Also, 12 units is a lot for a standard DSCR loan.


 Am I looking at the wrong loan type? 

Quote from @Erik Estrada:
Quote from @Jon Riley:

First off, I am a new investor so don't assume something is obvious as I probably don't know about it yet.   I am trying to buy a 1952 12-plex. Seller wants 1.3 million I would suggest 900k but I can't find a loan that has a long term lower interest and lower down. I was quoted 75% coverage ( 25% down) up to 20 year term and 7.95 - 8.95 interest 

I was hoping for 20% or less for a down on a 30 year and of course as low an interest rate as possible.  Any ideas?  I would appreciate it.


 Hey Jon, 

Is the seller willing to carry? 

You can put 15% down on a complex like this if the seller can carry 15% LTV in second position.

You can also look into tapping Into a HELOC for the remaining funds, or getting a partner involved.


 I am told the seller doesn't want to seller finance because he is selling his 1031.  I don't really know how or why that would effect it.   Also it sounds like he is not get a new 1031. He is just selling .

Quote from @Nicholas L.:

@Jon Riley

I'd start with something smaller.  Can you house hack?


 I haven't found any duplex that is reasonably priced and I've looked at several 4plexed and while the are also over priced and need to be negotiated I don't fit the debt to income ratio lenders want if I buy one.   If I need to use a non qm loan I want to get something bigger to stabilize renters moving out and general repair cost. 

Quote from @Devin Peterson:

Jon, you will not find any competitive lenders out there that will do less than 25% for commercial properties. Anything 5+ units is considered full commercial and that's basically the difference between 20% and 25% for the dp. 75ltv, DSCR of 1.00>, and good credit - those rates don't seem bad either. Just make sure you aware of the companies lock policy and PPP (pre payment penalty) terms. Gl!


 Thank you for remind9ng me of a PPP.  I was only thinking about that when considering interest only.

Quote from @Erik Estrada:
Quote from @Jon Riley:

First off, I am a new investor so don't assume something is obvious as I probably don't know about it yet.   I am trying to buy a 1952 12-plex. Seller wants 1.3 million I would suggest 900k but I can't find a loan that has a long term lower interest and lower down. I was quoted 75% coverage ( 25% down) up to 20 year term and 7.95 - 8.95 interest 

I was hoping for 20% or less for a down on a 30 year and of course as low an interest rate as possible.  Any ideas?  I would appreciate it.


 Hey Jon, 

Is the seller willing to carry? 

You can put 15% down on a complex like this if the seller can carry 15% LTV in second position.

You can also look into tapping Into a HELOC for the remaining funds, or getting a partner involved.


 15% loan to value?   And in second position.  Do you mean like a lein on the property?  That would be interesting. 

First off, I am a new investor so don't assume something is obvious as I probably don't know about it yet.   I am trying to buy a 1952 12-plex. Seller wants 1.3 million I would suggest 900k but I can't find a loan that has a long term lower interest and lower down. I was quoted 75% coverage ( 25% down) up to 20 year term and 7.95 - 8.95 interest 

I was hoping for 20% or less for a down on a 30 year and of course as low an interest rate as possible.  Any ideas?  I would appreciate it.