All Forum Posts by: Joe Hammel

@Sandra Morrison

Glad to hear is Sandra!

I'm pretty biased towards Metro Detroit for obvious reasons lol.

HOWEVER, I do personally make over $100k/yr cash flow from 16 properties here. All of which, I’ve purchased only within the last 4 years.

So I do practice what we preach, and it really freaking works.

Metro Detroit has what 99% of Real Estate Investors want. Couple hundred bucks a door monthly cash flow, double digit ROI, and yes the prices appreciate and you build equity.

There are 2 types of people who dog on Detroit..

1. People who don't actually own property in Detroit

2. People who did it wrong and weren't able to execute.

If you do it right, it’s statistically the best market in the country for cash flow.

I cash flow $100k a year off 23 doors and have built a ton of equity in a short amount of time.

Purchase: $80k-$130k

Rent: $1100-$1500 (no rent control in MI)

1% rule: 1%-1.4% rule deals

ROI: 10-14%

Cash flow: $150-$300/door (after all expenses and budgeting for maint, capex, vacancy)

Appreciation: 3-10%+ (has been double digit for a decade)

Location: C+, B-

These numbers are based on the "sweet spot" in Metro Detroit. These are largely in the suburbs and some markets within the city. You can find higher ROI (on paper) here and probably in other cities…but the probability of actually collecting rent significantly decreases. Where these numbers are found, there is a very high rate of rent actually being paid.

We have over a dozen Fortune 500 companies just in Metro Detroit with huge Healthcare, Auto, and mortgage industry National footprints. Ford, Rocket mortgage, Beaumont hospitals and more. All complimented with Amazon fulfillment centers, google, and more tech manufacturing jobs.

The bad reputation of “Detroit” comes from OOS investors wanting sub $40,000, D class properties in poor condition, because they pencil out to 2-3% deals on paper. We don’t buy those.

We have found what works and repeat it as much as funds allow.

Detroit has the the highest rent to price ratio in the country…and we focus on the best balance of price/location within the area.

Here is a picture of my portfolio...

I've seen quite a few investors achieve FIRE through REI. REI is by far the best vehicle to do so.

Personally, my portfolio here is to that point..making over $100k/yr cash flow from 16 properties here. All of which, I’ve purchased only within the last 4 years.

Metro Detroit has what 99% of Real Estate Investors want. Couple hundred bucks a door monthly cash flow, double digit ROI, and yes the prices appreciate and you build equity. It statistically has the best price/rent ratios in the country...so it's arguably the "easiest" place to execute FIRE.

Some people don't like Detroit.

There are 2 types of people who dog on Detroit..

1. People who don't actually own property in Detroit

2. People who did it wrong and weren't able to execute.

If you do it right, it’s statistically the best market in the country for cash flow.

$100k a year and also built a lot of equity which opens up a lot of doors as well.

Here is the primary target...

Purchase: $80k-$130k

Rent: $1100-$1500 (no rent control in MI)

1% rule: 1%-1.4% rule deals

ROI: 10-14%

Cash flow: $150-$300/door (after all expenses and budgeting for maint, capex, vacancy)

Appreciation: 3-10%+ (has been double digit for a decade)

Location: C+, B-

These numbers are based on the "sweet spot" in Metro Detroit. These are largely in the suburbs and some markets within the city. You can find higher ROI (on paper) here and probably in other cities…but the probability of actually collecting rent significantly decreases. Where these numbers are found, there is a very high rate of rent actually being paid.

We have over a dozen Fortune 500 companies just in Metro Detroit with huge Healthcare, Auto, and mortgage industry National footprints. Ford, Rocket mortgage, Beaumont hospitals and more. All complimented with Amazon fulfillment centers, google, and more tech manufacturing jobs.

The bad reputation of “Detroit” comes from OOS investors wanting sub $40,000, D class properties in poor condition, because they pencil out to 2-3% deals on paper. We don’t buy those.

Detroit has the the highest rent to price ratio in the country…and we focus on the best balance of price/location within the area.

You may have noticed our name is literally FIRE lol.

Questions:

1) Best price/rent in the county. Easily beats the 1% rule and cash flows

2) Taxes pencil out fine and deals cash flow

3) Michigan is considered a swing state..Detroit isn't notably hard on landlords. No rent control, you can evict as needed. It's likely not an easy thing to do anywhere, but can be done.

4) No notable natural Disasters

5) A dozen fortune 500 companies. See notes above

6) We target $80k-$130k (for SFH)

Here is a picture of my portfolio...

*To answer your question directly*, it's slightly hard to name the locations especially within the city, but Mike will be able to talk through these locations with you today when you guys connect. The suburbs are great and there are some specific tools to finding up and coming areas in the City.

Metro Detroit has what 99% of Real Estate Investors want. Couple hundred bucks a door monthly cash flow, double digit ROI, and yes the prices appreciate and you build equity.

There are 2 types of people who dog on Detroit..

1. People who don't actually own property in Detroit

2. People who did it wrong and weren't able to execute.

If you do it right, it’s statistically the best market in the country for cash flow.

I'm pretty biased towards Metro Detroit...HOWEVER, I do personally make over $100k/yr cash flow from 16 properties here. All of which, I’ve purchased only within the last 4 years. I've also built and seen others build a lot of equity in that time.

Purchase: $80k-$130k

Rent: $1100-$1500 (no rent control in MI)

1% rule: 1%-1.4% rule deals

ROI: 10-14%

Cash flow: $150-$300/door (after all expenses and budgeting for maint, capex, vacancy)

Appreciation: 3-10%+ (has been double digit for a decade)

Location: C+, B-

These numbers are based on the "sweet spot" in Metro Detroit. These are largely in the suburbs and some markets within the city. You can find higher ROI (on paper) here and probably in other cities…but the probability of actually collecting rent significantly decreases. Where these numbers are found, there is a very high rate of rent actually being paid.

A little more about the area:

We have over a dozen Fortune 500 companies just in Metro Detroit with huge Healthcare, Auto, and mortgage industry National footprints. Ford, Rocket mortgage, Beaumont hospitals and more. All complimented with Amazon fulfillment centers, google, and more tech manufacturing jobs.

The bad reputation of “Detroit” comes from OOS investors wanting sub $40,000, D class properties in poor condition, because they pencil out to 2-3% deals on paper. We don’t buy those and sounds like you're aware to look for a slightly better property yourself already.

Detroit has the the highest rent to price ratio in the country…and we’ve found the best balance of price/location within the area.

Here is a picture of my portfolio...as you will see. Very close to what you're looking for...but also note...the ARVs are all closer to $100k+ at this point.

Metro Detroit has what 99% of Real Estate Investors want. Couple hundred bucks a door monthly cash flow, double digit ROI, and yes the prices appreciate and you build equity.

There are 2 types of people who dog on Detroit..

1. People who don't actually own property in Detroit

2. People who did it wrong and weren't able to execute.

If you do it right, it’s statistically the best market in the country for cash flow.

I'm pretty biased towards Metro Detroit...HOWEVER, I do personally make over $100k/yr cash flow from 16 properties here. All of which, I’ve purchased only within the last 4 years. I've also built and seen others build a lot of equity in that time.

Purchase: $80k-$130k

Rent: $1100-$1500 (no rent control in MI)

1% rule: 1%-1.4% rule deals

ROI: 10-14%

Cash flow: $150-$300/door (after all expenses and budgeting for maint, capex, vacancy)

Appreciation: 3-10%+ (has been double digit for a decade)

Location: C+, B-

These numbers are based on the "sweet spot" in Metro Detroit. These are largely in the suburbs and some markets within the city. You can find higher ROI (on paper) here and probably in other cities…but the probability of actually collecting rent significantly decreases. Where these numbers are found, there is a very high rate of rent actually being paid.

*To answer your question directly*, it's slightly hard to name the locations directly, but Mike will be able to talk through these locations with you today when you guys connect. The suburbs are great and there are some specific tools to finding up and coming areas in the City.

A little more about the area:

We have over a dozen Fortune 500 companies just in Metro Detroit with huge Healthcare, Auto, and mortgage industry National footprints. Ford, Rocket mortgage, Beaumont hospitals and more. All complimented with Amazon fulfillment centers, google, and more tech manufacturing jobs.

The bad reputation of “Detroit” comes from OOS investors wanting sub $40,000, D class properties in poor condition, because they pencil out to 2-3% deals on paper. We don’t buy those and sounds like you're aware to look for a slightly better property yourself already.

Detroit has the the highest rent to price ratio in the country…and we’ve found the best balance of price/location within the area.

Here is a picture of my portfolio...as you will see. Very close to what you're looking for...but also note...the ARVs are all closer to $100k+ at this point.

@Andrew Postell

Mostly 20% down

Occasionally BRRRR'ing, cash buy with a refinance on the cheaper stuff

@Andrew Postell

Hi Andrew, almost every single one came from the MLS. I had like 2 of them direct to seller through a connection being that we have a large database and they asked me to buy but 95% of the time they just come from the MLS. We are lucky to just have these types of deals here.

I actually created a YouTube video where I talked through the sourcing and numbers of each property you can find by searching my team on YouTube easy enough. (Not able to link in a post)

@Matthew Kalifeh

I'm pretty biased towards Metro Detroit for obvious reasons lol.

HOWEVER, I do personally make over $100k/yr cash flow from 16 properties here. All of which, I’ve purchased only within the last 4 years.

So I do practice what we preach, and it really freaking works.

Metro Detroit has what 99% of Real Estate Investors want. Couple hundred bucks a door monthly cash flow, double digit ROI, and yes the prices appreciate and you build equity.

There are 2 types of people who dog on Detroit..

1. People who don't actually own property in Detroit

2. People who did it wrong and weren't able to execute.

If you do it right, it’s statistically the best market in the country for cash flow.

I cash flow $100k a year off 23 doors and have built a ton of equity in a short amount of time.

Purchase: $80k-$130k

Rent: $1100-$1500 (no rent control in MI)

1% rule: 1%-1.4% rule deals

ROI: 10-14%

Cash flow: $150-$300/door (after all expenses and budgeting for maint, capex, vacancy)

Appreciation: 3-10%+ (has been double digit for a decade)

Location: C+, B-

These numbers are based on the "sweet spot" in Metro Detroit. These are largely in the suburbs and some markets within the city. You can find higher ROI (on paper) here and probably in other cities…but the probability of actually collecting rent significantly decreases. Where these numbers are found, there is a very high rate of rent actually being paid.

We have over a dozen Fortune 500 companies just in Metro Detroit with huge Healthcare, Auto, and mortgage industry National footprints. Ford, Rocket mortgage, Beaumont hospitals and more. All complimented with Amazon fulfillment centers, google, and more tech manufacturing jobs.

The bad reputation of “Detroit” comes from OOS investors wanting sub $40,000, D class properties in poor condition, because they pencil out to 2-3% deals on paper. We don’t buy those.

We have found what works and repeat it as much as funds allow.

Detroit has the highest rent to price ratio in the country…and we’ve found the perfect balance of price/location within the area.

I can messages screen shot of my portfolio if anyone would like to see how the numbers pencil out

I'm pretty biased towards Metro Detroit for obvious reasons lol.

HOWEVER, I do personally make over $100k/yr cash flow from 16 properties here. All of which, I’ve purchased only within the last 4 years.

So I do practice what we preach, and it really freaking works.

Metro Detroit has what 99% of Real Estate Investors want. Couple hundred bucks a door monthly cash flow, double digit ROI, and yes the prices appreciate and you build equity.

There are 2 types of people who dog on Detroit..

1. People who don't actually own property in Detroit

2. People who did it wrong and weren't able to execute.

If you do it right, it’s statistically the best market in the country for cash flow.

I cash flow $100k a year off 23 doors and have built a ton of equity in a short amount of time.

Purchase: $80k-$130k

Rent: $1100-$1500 (no rent control in MI)

1% rule: 1%-1.4% rule deals

ROI: 10-14%

Cash flow: $150-$300/door (after all expenses and budgeting for maint, capex, vacancy)

Appreciation: 3-10%+ (has been double digit for a decade)

Location: C+, B-

These numbers are based on the "sweet spot" in Metro Detroit. These are largely in the suburbs and some markets within the city. You can find higher ROI (on paper) here and probably in other cities…but the probability of actually collecting rent significantly decreases. Where these numbers are found, there is a very high rate of rent actually being paid.

We have over a dozen Fortune 500 companies just in Metro Detroit with huge Healthcare, Auto, and mortgage industry National footprints. Ford, Rocket mortgage, Beaumont hospitals and more. All complimented with Amazon fulfillment centers, google, and more tech manufacturing jobs.

The bad reputation of “Detroit” comes from OOS investors wanting sub $40,000, D class properties in poor condition, because they pencil out to 2-3% deals on paper. We don’t buy those.

We have found what works and repeat it as much as funds allow.

Detroit has the the highest rent to price ratio in the country…and we’ve found the perfect balance of price/location within the area.

Here is a picture of my portfolio...

Metro Detroit has what 99% of Real Estate Investors want. 

I personally make over $100k/yr cash flow from 16 properties here. All of which, I’ve purchased only within the last 4 years.

Couple hundred bucks a door monthly cash flow, double digit ROI, and yes the prices appreciate and you build equity.

I cash flow $100k a year off 20 doors and have built a ton of equity in a short amount of time. Happy to send a screen shot of the portfolio to anyone who wants to see, it just won’t allow me to attach pics to a reply.

Purchase: $80k-$130k

Rent: $1100-$1500 (no rent control in MI)

1% rule: 1%-1.4% rule deals

ROI: 10-14%

Cash flow: $250-$350/door (after all expenses and budgeting for maint, capex, vacancy)

Appreciation: 3-10%+ (has been double digit for a decade)

Location: C+, B-

These numbers are based on the "sweet spot" in Metro Detroit. These are largely in the suburbs and some markets within the city. You can find higher ROI (on paper) here and probably in other cities…but the probability of actually collecting rent significantly decreases. Where these numbers are found, there is a very high rate of rent actually being paid.

We have over a dozen Fortune 500 companies just in Metro Detroit with huge Healthcare, Auto, and mortgage industry National footprints. Ford, Rocket mortgage, Beaumont hospitals and more. All complimented with Amazon fulfillment centers, google, and more tech manufacturing jobs.

The bad reputation of “Detroit” comes from OOS investors wanting sub $40,000, D class properties. We don’t buy those. We have found what works and repeat it as much as funds allow. Detroit is known as the highest rent to price ratio in the country…and we’ve found the perfect balance of price/location within the area.

Here is a picture of my portfolio..I also have a couple youtube videos where I talk through the numbers and how I found all of them.