Originally posted by @Andrew Postell:
@Josh Gibson yeah, as mentioned above, lots to consider here. The one thing I would recommend is to NOT be getting into a 20 year adjustable rate loan in this current lending environment. There are plenty of conventional and commercial loans that offer a 30 year fixed rate loan right now. With rates this low, it's important to lock them in and keep them that way for the foreseeable future.
The other element here is that using a LOC for a down payment isn't the most desirable method of securing a down payment. This will be mainly because, again, the interest rate is VARIABLE on that Line of Credit. That LOC will also "mature" after about 10 years. So it is not designed to be a permanent loan. It is to be treated like a credit card. Meaning, I use it...pay it back...use it again...pay it back. I am saying this from OUR perspective here, get me? From the lender's perspective, I want you in ALL variable interest rate products. Because that is my hedge against inflation. Would I prefer to put you in a fixed rate right now or a variable rate? As a lender I want that variable rate because it is likely that rates will be higher in 3-5 years. So I win by putting you in a shorter term, variable interest rate product. Now, if that's the ONLY choice I have as an investor...ok, then that's what we do. But you have options.
So certainly shop around a bit more. And feel free to ask ANYTHING here on this forum. We are here to help. Thanks!
I appreciate your insight, it really puts things in perspective. With our current rates being so low right now it is a little nerve racking going to a 5 year balloon. The bank is giving us a 4% rate and 4.25% on the LOC. with us buying the last house just this year we spent about $25k out of pocket and really didn't want to spend the rest of our cash on this duplex all in 1 year. It was just a deal/opportunity that came to us via friend of the family and we just could pass it up. The LOC we had planned to have paid off within 1 year.
As of right now we have
House 1: 4.125% and matures 2040
House 2: 4.25% and matures 2035
House 3: 3.75% and matures 2051
Your bank perspective really helped me here. I guess I didn't think about it from that point of view. If I only bring them the new duplex and LOC then the rate goes to 4.5% which is really not that big of a deal.
I just always thought that if I can get in good with my local bank and get a strong relationship with them it would be easier in the future to work with them on new financing for future deals. For example additional lines of credit to possibly buy in "cash" and then refinance. I for some reason thought that once you made it to the commercial side then you were on the right track and could open the door to larger deals.
Also, I was wanting to start to get everything into the LLC name and I was always too afraid to just to just change the title of the houses into the LLC because of the bank clause that could "call the loan due"
We want to grow to about 20 doors or so and just wanted to get system set in place now so we didn't have to go back and fix/change anything. I'm probably thinking about this wayyy too hard though.
Thanks again for your advice!