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All Forum Posts by: Joshua Myers

Joshua Myers has started 11 posts and replied 145 times.

Post: Leveraging Equity to Buy 1st Investment Property - tips?

Joshua MyersPosted
  • Rental Property Investor
  • Columbus, OH
  • Posts 148
  • Votes 177
Quote from @Benji Klassen:

Hey guys! 

First time posting here - stumbled across this forum recently and what a great community!

So I was fortunate enough to buy my first condo in the Greater Vancouver area in 2020 for myself, and the property value has raised by approx $250K over the last 2 years based on comps in the same building. With that in mind, I'm in the motion of getting the property appraised and refinancing the mortgage to jump into our first short term rental condo in the Kelowna area (still evaluating!). Looking for something that will provide healthy cashflow via managing the rentals ourselves. 

We were fortunate enough to lock a 2.3% fixed mortgage rate at the time, but I'm hoping to get some tips from other investors to ensure I don't over-extend myself when buying this investment property. With mortgage rates skyrocketing, and the possibility of renewing in 3 years at a much higher mortgage rate, I want to ensure I do this right and don't get slammed paying two large mortgage payments if things slow down in a recession.

Any tips or insight would be greatly appreciated!


The best advice I can give you is to worry about your cash reserves and cash flow more than your LTV or debt levels. If you conservatively cash flow and have 6-12 months of cash reserves then it's hard to not succeed over time.

Post: Listings suddenly flooding Phoenix Valley home market - say wha??

Joshua MyersPosted
  • Rental Property Investor
  • Columbus, OH
  • Posts 148
  • Votes 177
Quote from @Russell Brazil:

So if they had roughly the same inventory levels most major metros had at 2 weeks of inventory, a 34% increase doesnt even get us to 3 weeks of inventory. 😒


Agreed. Things getting slightly closer to long-term normal is not a collapse.

Post: Anyone have experience with the Short Term Shop?

Joshua MyersPosted
  • Rental Property Investor
  • Columbus, OH
  • Posts 148
  • Votes 177

Thanks for this message @Luke Carl. We're looking forward to getting our first STR under our belts!

Post: Anyone have experience with the Short Term Shop?

Joshua MyersPosted
  • Rental Property Investor
  • Columbus, OH
  • Posts 148
  • Votes 177

Does anyone have experience with The Short Term Shop? We're looking to buy our first STR in Destin. We read Avery Carl's book, listened to her BP episodes, did the group consultation with the Short Term Shop and got pre-approved for a loan through the Mortgage Shop. We were sold and ready to start. Then we got connected to the realtor and were ghosted. The voicemail didn't have a message, our calls weren't answered or returned. Eventually we got a text from the realtor saying they'd be calling in an hour. That was 2 days ago.

We're still hoping to work with them, but I wanted to know if anyone has had a similar experience or if this should be a red flag. Any help is greatly appreciated.

Thanks!

Post: Buying homes for cash

Joshua MyersPosted
  • Rental Property Investor
  • Columbus, OH
  • Posts 148
  • Votes 177
Originally posted by @Kiel Martin:

@Joshua Myers, I have no idea why you insisted on writing the first paragraph. 30 years in the work force and 30 years doing my own thing, I never comment on people's behaviors without knowing them. "Not doing that, because you're stealing their deals", no idea why this was brought up. "Do not think you know more than them"..... is that what you see or just a general comment? If I was asking "Will my plan work", then you would have a case. I think there is a serious disconnect with most people when it comes to "Do not answer questions that you were never asked"

I listen to thoughs who help, not those who responses are answers to questions that were never asked. Right now, I am building a list of people who responded with helpful information. Those who talked about why it would not work, will not be on my list. Life is too short for all of that. And I have stopped responding to the ones who just had to have the last word. 

With all of that being said, your 2nd paragraph is already in my mission statement. Everyone has a theshold with what they are willing to tolerate. We are all adults here, and I would expect some better responses from those adults. The ones who gave me the advice that did help, notice they were percise, straight to the point, and nothing else to say. Those indiviuals got great thank-you responses, and after this post fades, I will be going back and read every post to make sure I weed out the ones who cannot respond without telling why "It will not work". 

Sorry to disappoint, but serious folks have zero tolerance for non-productive interactions 

No worries, I really wish you the best. Just trying to keep you from pain. People with long and productive careers are giving you advice with no expectation of anything in return. I sincerely hope that telling them to only answer the specific things that you asked and to keep the rest of their thoughts to themselves turns out to be a good strategy in the long term.

Post: Buying homes for cash

Joshua MyersPosted
  • Rental Property Investor
  • Columbus, OH
  • Posts 148
  • Votes 177
Originally posted by @Kiel Martin:

@JD Martin, team is already develop. Like I said, it is baltimore, and its own enity. And the ghetto is not a fear of mine nor will it be a concern of mine. Like I said, I am not following the traditional ways that is wrriten. When I opened my HVAC business, I opened it unconventionally and was able to close it debt free with my unconvnentional ways. Convincing me about Class C&D and about $15k-40k types of houses is not going to sway me. Nor is telling me baltimore is the highest crime city. I live here and fear is does not motivate me to not accomplish. I spend time understanding and making things work instead of talking about why it will not work. 

This is a plan, not a wish, and the plan is develope, along with a management company in place. Baltimore changes block by block and certain zipcodes work why certain do not. And there is tons of houses on both list, which each will be anaylzed and tentants screened. No difference than any other business here. Thanks for the adivce, but that is why I have a business plan, which will be adabpted when needed. It was created from experience and research. Now it is time to execute. And like any scale, it is adjustable. As of now, those are the targets, and I was concerned about the closing cost having a set minimum rate which surpassed 3%, which some one here was nice of enough to answer.

I do not use other people's numbers to tell me what works. I use my experience, good people, action, history, momentum, and a strong foundation to make business decisions, always ahave. There are reasons for my choices. And if I had a nickle for every time someone told me how failure was my destination....... well brother, i would have over 100million nickles. 

Everyone thank you for all your advice. 

 Kiel, lots of people with decades of experience are all giving you the same advice. They're not doing that because you're stealing their deals. PLEASE don't think that you know more than them when you've never bought a house and don't even know what your cash to close requirements are are.

My two cents added to everyone else though is that the cash flow on these properties get eaten up and more by the maint, vacancy and turnover costs. I've had a 70k house downtown and a few 60k condos. My cash flow looked great on paper and I was smarter than everyone else, until it got wiped out every few months with maint, etc. Now I own 300k+ houses and cash flow is actually better on an annual basis because people living in a nice house generally take care of it. They also leave you alone because they're trying to live a normal life, and a normal life doesn't involve a weekly chat with the landlord.

I wish I would have heard what people are telling you when I started out........

Post: REI Nation Vs Ohio Cash - honest review from someone who has both

Joshua MyersPosted
  • Rental Property Investor
  • Columbus, OH
  • Posts 148
  • Votes 177
Originally posted by @Zachary Schimenz:

Remington - I'm looking for more of a passive investment, so no

Michael K - Yes, in Toledo. I'm not sure if I can get a new property manager or not, I'll have to look into it.

Michael P- $85,000 vs $29,000

Personally I've found that the cash flow on a  >100k property gets completely eaten up by the vacancy and frequent maintenance items. I know people who make it work, but I won't do it again unless it was an appreciation play.

Post: Anyone else feel like the forums are losing value?

Joshua MyersPosted
  • Rental Property Investor
  • Columbus, OH
  • Posts 148
  • Votes 177
Originally posted by @Peter Tverdov:
Originally posted by @JD Martin:

I contemplated shutting this down - this is the generic version of "I've had it here, I'm leaving" post which isn't allowed per the rules, but it might be useful to head this off once.

I'm sorry you don't find value here. If not, why does it matter if anyone else feels that way? Why do you need confirmation that BP isn't what it used to be? And if you find the forums droll, there are other outlets on the internet. You should take advantage of them. You don't have to pay to be here.

The bottom line is that the population has voted, with their fingers, and BP far and away is the best and most populated real estate forums on the internet. Yes, sometimes that means "old-timers" have to wade through a lot of new questions. I still find plenty of value here, from newbies and old-timers, but maybe I'm not a glass half-empty guy. I see no point in ruminating on the changing composition of forum members, and especially no point looking for public confirmation of my position. 

In my own life, I have found that when things seems unsatisfactory to me, the problem is usually me rather than some external force. 

 See, this is the problem. You should be thrilled with my post. It's contrarian and gives you guys real feedback and apparently plenty of people agree with me. I call balls and strikes. I still enjoy this forum but let's not pretend it hasn't morphed into a totally different animal the last few years. 

 At the end of the day BP is a business. Like most platform or social media companies the users are the product, not the customer. The average paying member is working some sort of networking or marketing angle to get more clients,  sales, deals etc. Look at all of the premium member realtors that pop up when you ask about your nearest big city. I'm sure that the gals and guys at BP are nice people, but they're not running a charity. They're here to make money. That means selling more product, which means new users without experience. It is what it is.......

Post: Rentals: Debt and Leverage, Free-and-Clear, or Happy Medium

Joshua MyersPosted
  • Rental Property Investor
  • Columbus, OH
  • Posts 148
  • Votes 177
Originally posted by @Joe Villeneuve:
Originally posted by @Joshua Myers:
Originally posted by @Joe Villeneuve:
Originally posted by @Joshua Myers:
Originally posted by @Joe Villeneuve:

You lost me right after you said, "...how does the borrower...".

Let me wee if I can explain this better.

When you refi, you are not getting your cash out of the original property.  Your cash is still there.  You used it as collateral for the refi loan from the bank.  The equity (dead cash) that wasn't used is what's left of the original equity.

The loan from the bank is new money.  This is because you have to pay for it.  If it was the cash/equity from the original property being refi'd, it would be able to access it at no charge.

What's your alternative? Are you selling into a 1031, cross collateralizing, or something else?

 Sell the property and invest the now liquid equity as a DP into the next deal.

When your equity is initially built from the down payment (bought), it has the exact same "face value" that it had when it was cash in your bank account.  However, at a 20% DP, it has a real value of 5 to 1.  As your equity grows from the tenant paying down the mortgage (rent) and the economy (appreciation),...both free gifts to you,...it grows on a 1 to 1 basis.  The real value of each new dollar in equity is equal to either the principle pay down or the property value.  When combined with the original equity from the DP, this added equity actually dilutes the original equity with each added dollar.

So, after about 3 to 5 years, I sell the property (other reasons, but this is the reason for this discussion) since by that time the equity should have doubled +.  I then invest the extracted equity into 2 properties with each of the new properties then having a 5 to 1 value again.  The total equity hasn't changed, it's just distributed into more than one property.

By the way, if you've duplicated the number of properties, and the new ones look just like the original one, then you've also doubled the cash flow.  Keep repeating this every 3 to 5 years.

Now before someone says, "that's a lot of properties", ...my answer is, "let's think about this".  You don't have to by more than one property every time you "double down".  Just by bigger ones.  The number$ with $$$ in front shouldn't change.

 If you cash out refinance to a new 80 ltv mortgage on a property and use the cash to buy a new property with a "5 to 1" value then you're in the same place. 2 investment properties with a 20% equity position in each, only difference is that I only need to find one new property instead of two. Doesn't work if you're looking to trade up to bigger and better properties, but otherwise it's the same.

How does a bigger property "not" work?

A bigger property works as an investment. Doing a cash out refi to grow your portfolio doesn't work if your goal is to move from a smaller property to a bigger property. If you want to trade small properties for larger or more expensive properties then BRRRR isn't the best model. If you're trying to expanding units then a 1031 or BRRRR are equally effective, as long as you end up with a 20% equity stake in the total portfolio.

That's what I meant

Post: Rentals: Debt and Leverage, Free-and-Clear, or Happy Medium

Joshua MyersPosted
  • Rental Property Investor
  • Columbus, OH
  • Posts 148
  • Votes 177
Originally posted by @Joe Villeneuve:
Originally posted by @Joshua Myers:
Originally posted by @Joe Villeneuve:

You lost me right after you said, "...how does the borrower...".

Let me wee if I can explain this better.

When you refi, you are not getting your cash out of the original property.  Your cash is still there.  You used it as collateral for the refi loan from the bank.  The equity (dead cash) that wasn't used is what's left of the original equity.

The loan from the bank is new money.  This is because you have to pay for it.  If it was the cash/equity from the original property being refi'd, it would be able to access it at no charge.

What's your alternative? Are you selling into a 1031, cross collateralizing, or something else?

 Sell the property and invest the now liquid equity as a DP into the next deal.

When your equity is initially built from the down payment (bought), it has the exact same "face value" that it had when it was cash in your bank account.  However, at a 20% DP, it has a real value of 5 to 1.  As your equity grows from the tenant paying down the mortgage (rent) and the economy (appreciation),...both free gifts to you,...it grows on a 1 to 1 basis.  The real value of each new dollar in equity is equal to either the principle pay down or the property value.  When combined with the original equity from the DP, this added equity actually dilutes the original equity with each added dollar.

So, after about 3 to 5 years, I sell the property (other reasons, but this is the reason for this discussion) since by that time the equity should have doubled +.  I then invest the extracted equity into 2 properties with each of the new properties then having a 5 to 1 value again.  The total equity hasn't changed, it's just distributed into more than one property.

By the way, if you've duplicated the number of properties, and the new ones look just like the original one, then you've also doubled the cash flow.  Keep repeating this every 3 to 5 years.

Now before someone says, "that's a lot of properties", ...my answer is, "let's think about this".  You don't have to by more than one property every time you "double down".  Just by bigger ones.  The number$ with $$$ in front shouldn't change.

 If you cash out refinance to a new 80 ltv mortgage on a property and use the cash to buy a new property with a "5 to 1" value then you're in the same place. 2 investment properties with a 20% equity position in each, only difference is that I only need to find one new property instead of two. Doesn't work if you're looking to trade up to bigger and better properties, but otherwise it's the same.