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All Forum Posts by: Justin Moy

Justin Moy has started 38 posts and replied 391 times.

Post: Seeking advice to help build my CRE network in San Diego

Justin MoyPosted
  • Investor
  • Kansas City, MO
  • Posts 400
  • Votes 277

Most if not all the networking events will be on meetup.com so I'd start there. 

If you're looking to build out your team of vendors (property manager, GC, realtors, wholesalers...etc) I'd look them up and start lining up meetings. 

Facebook pages can also help build a community fast. There are san diego real estate investor pages many of which will be wholesaler pages where they post deals as well if that's what you're looking for.

Post: HOUSE HACKING APPROACH

Justin MoyPosted
  • Investor
  • Kansas City, MO
  • Posts 400
  • Votes 277

Finding great deals is probably the #1 challenge for investors right now, so it's not uncommon you're seeing price points be too high for what you're looking for. 

Whether you should keep or sell the property is a question that's hard to answer. Is it cash flowing when you leave? Do you have a manager you trust to run the day to day? Would you need that cash for another property where you're moving to? I'm not sure anyone here can answer that one for you. 

For a calculator you can use the same cash flow calculators but everything will be x2-4 if the units are the same layout

Congrats! That's awesome. Tenants are just like anyone else. Treat them well and with respect and be attentive to their requests. 20 year long tenants are unicorns these days so you've got a great situation! 

Post: 8 cities seeing rent declines YoY

Justin MoyPosted
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  • Kansas City, MO
  • Posts 400
  • Votes 277

https://tinyurl.com/m4wzy6zz 


Of course these metros are coming off of very high growth, and I never claimed demand was falling in them. But in terms of total growth for the city YoY they declined. 

Post: 8 cities seeing rent declines YoY

Justin MoyPosted
  • Investor
  • Kansas City, MO
  • Posts 400
  • Votes 277
Quote from @Luis Saenz:

@Justin Moy

I have noticed rents declined in Austin TX. I had to renew my leases with lower rents so my tenants would stay. But I have also noticed there is still very strong demand for a rentals here. Especially if they are well kept and updated!


 Oh that's interesting! Is it primarily due to new construction or what are you seeing as the cause?

Post: 8 cities seeing rent declines YoY

Justin MoyPosted
  • Investor
  • Kansas City, MO
  • Posts 400
  • Votes 277

Cities like Phoenix, Vegas, Seattle, Austin, and Atlanta are seeing YoY rent decline.

The cities with the highest rent growth in May were Indianapolis & Kansas City.

Some believe this is due to increasing supply, with cities that saw huge increases in demand now starting to project a big pipeline of deliveries, with 900k units being delivered by the end of 2024.

Built to rent has also seen huge growth with 3x as many units under development this year.

Are you surprised by these cities starting to see rent declines?

Post: The Fund Of Funds Model Explained

Justin MoyPosted
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  • Kansas City, MO
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In very simplified terms a fund of fund refers to a sub fund that is investing into another fund, here’s an example:

ABC capital is raising for a syndication and they’re raising $30M.

They have a minimum investment of $50k and the splits would give you a 5% preferred return and a 70% equity split.

But what could happen is someone else who raises money may approach ABC capital and negotiate better terms in exchange for giving them a greater investment amount. Lets say $1M instead of $50k.

So instead of raising $1M from 20 investors each at $50k, this new group will give them one wire of $1M. This is significantly easier for ABC capital to manage 1 investor versus 20, so many times especially in very large capital raises a company like ABC capital may offer an incentive to do this.

So ABC Capital could offer terms of an 8% preferred return and 80% equity split for an investment of $1M instead of $50k.

So now what that operator does is create a fund of funds, and they’ll open up their own fund, lets call it the Main Street Fund, and open up the investment to their investor database to go raise $1M.

Then that fund, the Main Street Fund, raises $1M from investors and may be able to offer better returns to their investors because now they’re taking advantage of a better split by being part of the larger $1M investment.

So in this scenario The Main Street Fund is the fund of funds for ABC Capital’s syndication.

So what are the pros and cons of investing in something like the Main Street Fund in this scenario as opposed to directly with ABC Capital?

Pros

Historically I’ve seen better top line returns with a fund of funds model, because you’re benefiting from the terms of a $1M investment even if you invest just $50k.

The terms may be more flexible as well. ABC Capital may have a $50k minimum but the Main Street Fund may have a $25k minimum. It’s common for large raises to have higher minimums so sometimes the difference in minimum investment can be substantial.

A third benefit is a double layer of due diligence. In this case if we assume both ABC Capital is a solid operating group and the operators of the Main Street Fund are also experienced and great sponsors, they’ve both vetted the deal and have conducted their own due diligence, giving a double layer of these crucial steps.

Cons

The first downside is additional fees. All sponsors have fees and in a scenario like this ABC Capital will have their fees and The Main Street Fund will also have their fees. While the fees may not be double it is likely there will be more as ABC Capital will take their cut then Main Street Fund will also get paid.

These fees for the better and more flexible terms may be worth it, but you want to find out how much of your investment goes to fees.

Another downside you need to be aware of is Main Street Capitals ability to follow through with their minimum investment. If they fall short of the $1M capital raise, will ABC Capital still honor their terms or will the terms be adjusted? Which would impact your returns as an investor.

Overall, a fund of fund model will likely give you access to stronger terms and more flexibility by combining your investment with the investment of others, leveraging having one big investment instead of many smaller ones. It also gives you a double layer of due diligence with both the operating team conducting their due diligence and the fund of funds manager completing theirs as well.

The tradeoff to this is there are likely more fees involved with the investment, you just have to be sure the terms are worth the additional fees, and you’ll want to be sure the fund you’re investing in will hit their minimum investment amount to honor those terms, and if they don’t what’s the recourse to you as an investor.

Post: Limited Partner terms?

Justin MoyPosted
  • Investor
  • Kansas City, MO
  • Posts 400
  • Votes 277

I'd say most people look for: 

15% IRR

5%+ average CoC depending on the asset class and business plan. Ideally closer to 6-7% average over a 5 year period.

Pref will also depend on the size, but pref has become more aggressive lately with most I'd say at 7%+

I've also seen it be more common for equity to readjust at certain hurdles. Common would be 70/30 investor / GP split with anything above a certain IRR or equity multiple readjusts to 50/50. Personally I don't care for that structure but it's becoming more common.

Post: Limited Partner terms?

Justin MoyPosted
  • Investor
  • Kansas City, MO
  • Posts 400
  • Votes 277
Quote from @Gerardo Waisbaum:

Hi Bryan,

Based on our experience and the expectations of our LP investors, we have structured our deals with the following criteria:

Minimum IRR: We aim for a minimum IRR of 15%.
Average CoC Return: Our target average CoC return is 20% per year for 5-year plans, resulting in a total of 100% over the holding period.
Minimum Preferred Return: We offer a minimum preferred return of 7% to our LP investors.

Regarding depreciation, we actively share the depreciation benefits, including cost segregation, bonus depreciation, and other tax strategies, with our investors.

Good luck!


What type of investing are you doing that sees a 20% CoC over 5 years?

Post: Multifamily Building Super (lease/agreement)

Justin MoyPosted
  • Investor
  • Kansas City, MO
  • Posts 400
  • Votes 277

Yes you can and it can be fairly common especially in smaller properties. Chances are for 50% reduced rent it is cheaper to do that then to have a manager, but you'd just have to check out those numbers. 

I'd agree with Carl more about prepping expectations and exactly what is covered