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All Forum Posts by: Katie L.

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Post: Where Should I Form an LLC if I'm an Out of State Investor?

Katie L.Posted
  • Attorney and CPA
  • San Diego, CA
  • Posts 590
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@Megan Stafford

You can probably do it either way - if you form in AR, you will need to register as a foreign LLC in CA. If you create a CA LLC, you will likely need to register as a foreign LLC in AR. CA takes a broad scope of what constitutes "doing business" in CA so either way you will be subject to the $800 minimum tax in CA. Not sure as to AR laws if they also have an entity level tax or minimum tax. You'll need to look into whether owning property in AR also subjects you to income tax in AR on an individual level - might need to file a AR tax return. Also look into AR's rules for agents of service of process. Having a AR-created LLC might require you to have an in-state agent for service of process, whereas filing as foreign, maybe you don't need an in-state agent.

CA generally has more complex laws in their corporations code and more requirements and such that sometimes it can make sense to create a CA-based LLC, despite an increased cost to set it up, especially since you will be subject to taxes anyway.

Also, if you're doing flips, you may want to look into an S-corp as a possible entity structure.

You definitely should be speaking with a CPA and attorney.  Let me know if you need referrals in Southern California or San Diego.

*This post does not constitute legal advice and is not to be relied upon. This post does not create an attorney-client or CPA-client relationship. Readers should seek professional advice.

Post: best way to structure partnership when in multiple states

Katie L.Posted
  • Attorney and CPA
  • San Diego, CA
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@Michael Perreira You will likely need two entities not because the properties are in different states but because your ownership structure is different. If you created a partnership or LLC for the properties that you own with a partner and put 50/50 ownership, and then you contributed the assets that you own solely in your name, you would effectively be giving your buddy a piece of the pie. Unless you wanted to do a VERY custom operating agreement.

Do you have an estate plan in place? Perhaps you can hold the residences you own just in your family trust and have a large umbrella policy? Depends on the type of property, what other assets you may have, your risk tolerance, the type of tenants, how well the property is maintained and managed, etc. whether you need/want an entity. You could also create just a single member LLC and hold your share of the properties in the LLC so that you could combine both your 50% share of the jointly owned ones plus your solo-owned properties, and then you would need to change title to the jointly-owned ones to be owned 50% by your LLC and 50% by your partner however he decides to hold it.

You probably should have already been filing taxes in South Carolina if you haven't been already as a nonresident on the income earned from your South Carolina based real property (individual income taxes).  If you're a CA resident, CA taxes you on ALL income earned from wherever sourced.  But, then CA will give you a credit for taxes paid to other states.  So if you filed in SC and owed taxes to SC, you would also be taxed on that income in CA but then they will give you a credit for whatever taxes you paid to SC.  Doesn't quite work out to be a wash because CA usually has higher tax rates so if you earned $2,000 in SC you probably paid a much lower rate... say $50 in taxes but in CA the tax on $2,000 is probably more like $180, but you would only get a credit for $50 so CA still essentially taxes that $2,000 in some fashion.  That's the price we pay for living in CA.

If you create an entity in California, you will be subject to an $800 minimum tax (unless you form a general partnership... but you have unlimited liability with GP), and you would need to register the entity as a foreign entity doing business in South Carolina.  If you wanted to form a South Carolina entity (or any other state for that matter), you still would need to register it as a foreign entity in California "doing business" in CA if you are a resident and are managing from CA.  Which means you will still be subject to the $800 minimum tax even if your property and entity are based out of state.  I am not familiar with SC laws to know if they also have an entity level tax or whether their partnerships and LLCs are purely pass-through.  The Franchise Tax Board takes a broad opinion of what constitutes "doing business" in the state of California so unless your entity was out of state, your properties were out of state, and you had a completely passive non-managerial role, you're likely going to be stuck with paying CA.

I agree that you should likely seek out an attorney to draft a document and discuss your options.  You also will likely want a CPA who knows what he/she is doing as well if you don't have one already.  Let me know if you need referrals for southern California or San Diego.

*This post does not constitute legal advice and is not to be relied upon.  Readers should seek professional advice regarding their situation from a competent professional who knows all the facts of their situation.  This post does not create an attorney-client nor a CPA-client relationship.

Post: How do I structure a partnership?

Katie L.Posted
  • Attorney and CPA
  • San Diego, CA
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@Michael Faudoa

If you invest sweat equity in a partnership, the accounting for it can get pretty complex. It's possible, but significantly more complex. You will want to have a good attorney draft the documents and an accountant who knows what he/she is doing as well. A joint venture is essentially treated as a general partnership. This means both of you will have unlimited liability. If that doesn't concern you then you can do a general partnership and save the $800 minimum tax in California. If you want to limit your liability, then you will need to create a limited partnership or an LLC or S-corp, all of which will be subject to a minimum tax in California of $800. If you create a limited partnership, you need to have at least 1 general partner, who will have unlimited liability. You also could maybe treat his money as a loan to you if you want.

*This post does not constitute legal advice and is not to be relied upon.  Readers are advised to seek professional advice.  This post does not create an attorney-client nor a CPA-client relationship.

Post: Formulating the right pla

Katie L.Posted
  • Attorney and CPA
  • San Diego, CA
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@Ryan Slade

Welcome to the San Diego investment community!  If you need referrals for local professionals, let me know.  Just as an FYI - the majority of clients I see are investing in the midwest currently.  Just be careful that it could subject you to an additional income tax return in each of those states as well if you decide to do that.

Post: Starting an LLC questions

Katie L.Posted
  • Attorney and CPA
  • San Diego, CA
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@Cliff T. What are you and your partner contributing then if your fiance is the one contributing the money? Are you each contributing your own money as well to purchase and then using the HELOC just for renovations? How are you and the partner going to be the owners of the LLC if you're not putting up any money? If you're planning on contributing sweat equity, the accounting for that gets rather complex.

I'm not clear as to the details here so you might be at the point where we say "consult an attorney." Good advice is worth paying for and you don't want to screw this up otherwise there could be taxable gifts going back and forth, or you could be giving ownership of an asset where you do not intend to give ownership. You might be able to have your fiance loan it to the LLC but you will want to make sure your operating agreement authorizes loans, and make sure the interest rate is fair so as to avoid it being considered a related party transaction (even though it sounds like you are not married yet).

You also have additional questions you will want to ensure are documented properly as to community versus separate property since you are sort of commingling now what sounds to be each of yours and your fiance's separate property before you get married.  

I think you're at the point where advice on the free forum isn't going to cut it.

*This post does not create an attorney-client relationship nor a CPA-client relationship.  Readers are advised to seek professional advice.  This post is not to be relied upon.

Post: Converting loan from personal to LLC?

Katie L.Posted
  • Attorney and CPA
  • San Diego, CA
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@Ali Ahmed are you creating a CA LLC? There is an option to file articles with the state on a rush basis but it will be expensive to do so. Is the loan with a conventional large lender? Because most of them will have due on sale clauses that if you transfer the loan it becomes due immediately, and a transfer to an LLC can trigger that. Check with the lender if they will allow you to do that and just personally guarantee the loan. If there weren't a loan involved, transferring property from an individual to an LLC is fairly easy and is something that is done somewhat regularly for estate planning. But you being so far into the process now, you will have to ask the lender.

*this post does not constitute legal advice and is not to be relied upon. Readers are advised to seek professional advice. This post does not create an attorney-client or cpa-client relationship.

Post: Starting an LLC questions

Katie L.Posted
  • Attorney and CPA
  • San Diego, CA
  • Posts 590
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@Cliff T.

You can probably do it either way - if you form in PA, you will need to register as a foreign LLC in CA. If you create a CA LLC, you will likely need to register as a foreign LLC in PA. CA takes a broad scope of what constitutes "doing business" in CA so either way you will be subject to the $800 minimum tax in CA. Not sure as to PA laws if they also have an entity level tax or minimum tax. You'll need to look into whether owning property in PA also subjects you to income tax in PA on an individual level - might need to file a PA tax return. Also look into PA's rules for agents of service of process. Having a PA-created LLC might require you to have an in-state agent for service of process, whereas filing as foreign, maybe you don't need an in-state agent.

Are you purchasing with partners? Will you be taking any debt on the property? If you don't have debt, you can probably do this either way, though would require one less deed to be recorded if you transferred the money into the LLC first. If you purchased from your bank account, you would need to record a new deed to transfer the property into the LLC officially. However, most traditional lenders will not loan to an LLC, in which case you might need to purchase individually to qualify for a loan, but you will want to be careful of not triggering any due on sale clauses if you transfer to the LLC.

And, yes, you will want a business bank account.  Yes, once you have a articles filed an EIN number, you should be able to go into the bank and open one.

*This post does not constitute legal advice and is not to be relied upon.  This post does not create an attorney-client or CPA-client relationship.  Readers should seek professional advice.

Post: How to make relationship w/ a CPA?

Katie L.Posted
  • Attorney and CPA
  • San Diego, CA
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Originally posted by @Michael Plaks:

@Wei Cho

I second the recommendation of @Logan Allec - provided he is willing to accommodate the relationship you're proposing.

To be honest, I would not - if you asked me. What you're asking for is free ongoing service (yes, it is service, because it takes our time) in exchange for one annual paid job. It's like expecting free appetizers or drinks from a restaurant year-round because you bring your family there once a year for an anniversary dinner. Or expecting free cleaning from your dentist because you will come to him when you need a crown. Or a free oil change from your mechanic because he is the one you use for major work.

I know we live in the freebie culture, but you use the word "relationship." Relationship involves respect. If you want a win-win relationship with you future CPA, I suggest you approach it with due respect for his/her time and expertise and not expect freebies, at least not until the relationship is strong. (Yes, I will do many favors for my long-term loyal clients, but not necessarily for someone I just met.)

@Wei Cho

I agree with Michael.  Good advice is worth paying for, and having an accountant do your taxes isn't exactly a huge money-maker for the accountant (most CPAs I know work on a flat-fee for taxes, which works out to fairly small dollar amount per hour).  Their expertise IS their livelihood.  You clearly find value in their knowledge or else you would not be asking them questions about the complex topics and subject matters for which they have such expertise.  Find a CPA who knows what he/she is doing and is also pleasant and respectful towards you, try to do as much research as you can on your own, and pay the CPA for their expertise when needed and save yourself hassle and worse money issues later by doing it right in the first place.  I'm not saying you should find one who nickel-and-dimes you for every phone call, but anything that requires them to spend more than maybe 30 minutes or an hour is worth a billable fee, particularly if you are in search of the correct answer.

Post: How to make relationship w/ a CPA?

Katie L.Posted
  • Attorney and CPA
  • San Diego, CA
  • Posts 590
  • Votes 422

@Wei Cho try reaching out to @Logan Allec who is a CPA in LA and is usually very willing to share his expertise on BP, and I believe offers a free consultation. I have several names for you in San Diego if you’re willing to work remotely. For CA residents, you’ll likely want to work with a CA based CPA or at least one who is very familiar with CA laws. California is sort of its own beast when it comes to taxation and can be very different from the rest of the country. Try asking around or looking at reviews and have a phone call and see who you click with. Feel free to ask the CPA outright if that is a relationship they’re willing to have with you. Also, good advice is definitely worth paying for so if you find someone you feel confident in and like, though they may have a different fee structure, might be worth going with them than someone who doesn’t charge you but gets the answer wrong...

Post: Real estate investor CPA & wholesale in south California

Katie L.Posted
  • Attorney and CPA
  • San Diego, CA
  • Posts 590
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@Khai Quach I have several names for CPAs for you in San Diego and Southern California.  You can try starting with @Brian Schmelzlen who is based out of San Diego or @Logan Allec who is based out of L.A. who are both good resources for you.