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All Forum Posts by: Kevin Dean

Kevin Dean has started 3 posts and replied 101 times.

Post: Should I roll my SFHs into a Multi-Family apartment building

Kevin DeanPosted
  • Rental Property Investor
  • Chantilly, VA
  • Posts 104
  • Votes 149

@Travis Gibson

It sounds like you are in a great position. Another thing to think about is the opportunity cost of selling those properties. You will be giving up the returns that you are currently generating on your properties while you work to identify opportunities which will potentially provide a higher return. 

An alternative to selling could be to refinance those properties which you currently own outright, and then use the cash from the refinance for the down-payment on a multifamily property. That way you won't get hit with the tax from the sale, will keep your cash-flowing rentals with great tenants and will generate the capital you are hoping to deploy into multifamily.

Post: How to decide between two markets?

Kevin DeanPosted
  • Rental Property Investor
  • Chantilly, VA
  • Posts 104
  • Votes 149

@Victor Martinez Lazaro

A few things that can help drive Rental Growth and ultimately returns from Investment Real Estate in a specific market.

1. Population growth year over year with expectations of continued population growth

2. Growing demand for Rental Properties

3. Large Fortune 500 companies moving into town, growing workforce or expanding operations

4. Large development projects led or supported by the local government

5. Steady positive job growth year over year with expectations of continued job growth

6. Landlord friendly legal trends. An example of the opposite of this would be movement towards rent control, for example the recent legislation passed in New York City.

At a high level, you are looking for positive trends that influence supply and demand in your favor. You want as much evidence pointing towards an increase in demand versus supply for the Real Estate that you own. If you can buy in a market and product type where this is true over the long term, you will increase your likelihood of doing very well with those investments.

Post: Are all good deals found off market?

Kevin DeanPosted
  • Rental Property Investor
  • Chantilly, VA
  • Posts 104
  • Votes 149

@Vinny Martin

Great deals can absolutely still be found on market and through brokers/real estate agents. Some people have a specific competitive advantage in their market which may enable them to pay at or above market rate while still hitting their return criteria. Additionally if everyone is looking at using a piece of property one way, and you can creatively think of ways to use it in another way which enables you to create more value and pay a higher price, then that deal will work for you and not others.

For example, if there is a large single family home in your market that is zoned with the ability to divide the large single family home into multiple units, you can create far greater value with that asset as compared to someone who is simply evaluating and offering on that property as a large single family rental and nothing else.

Post: Multifamily Short-term Mezzanine Debt & Bridge Loans - What?

Kevin DeanPosted
  • Rental Property Investor
  • Chantilly, VA
  • Posts 104
  • Votes 149

@Joseph Firmin

In addition to what has already been said, I wanted to point out one way that mezzanine debt can effect returns, and in the process hopefully further answering your question "How to use mezzanine debt effectively when purchasing a multifamily asset?"

As mentioned above, investors will often use mezzanine debt to fill the gap between the equity needed to close, and the equity on hand. While that is true, mezzanine debt may also be used by an investor in order to boost returns. If the cost of the mezzanine debt is less than the cost of the equity partners, for example, if equity partners demand a 15% return, and you are able to secure mezzanine debt at 10% to fund some of the "capital stack", your overall return to the equity investors will be increased as the overall return requirement is lowered and the total equity needed to close is reduced. This math equation is why using leverage to purchase real estate increases returns (when done properly of course).

So, if you use mezzanine debt effectively, you may be able to either deliver a higher return to your equity partners, or you may be able to pay more up front for the property, and return the same targeted return to your investors.

Because everything I have mentioned so far has only highlighted the positives of utilizing mezzanine debt, one word of caution...over-leveraging an asset can definitely result in lower returns, negative cash flow, inability to refinance at the end of your loan term and can also result in default. As is always the case when utilizing debt, err on the side of conservatism. Luckily banks don't want you to default on your loan either, so they will pull back when necessary, but just remember they're not looking at your investor returns as closely as you are.

Post: Who’s Ready for a Recession 2020?

Kevin DeanPosted
  • Rental Property Investor
  • Chantilly, VA
  • Posts 104
  • Votes 149

@Jazlynn Gibbs

Most of the recent market sentiment has been driven by constant anecdotal updates. If you take a look at the actual economic data, the economy is telling a calmer story. Job growth, retail sales and most other GDP indicators are healthy from a historic perspective and against a backdrop of conflicting tweets, news articles and headlines, it can be difficult to see that.

While we have been in a long bull run, that in itself does not justify a recession. As mentioned above, investors need to continue to conduct conservative underwriting and position their portfolio to be able to weather all storms, while not missing out on what could be a mild, long and steady continual trend upwards.

Post: How to decide between two markets?

Kevin DeanPosted
  • Rental Property Investor
  • Chantilly, VA
  • Posts 104
  • Votes 149

@Victor Martinez Lazaro

Congratulations on deciding to get started early.  In my opinion, deciding which market to invest in can be broken down into two overarching questions.

1. Based on the economic data I can gather, is this market poised for long term growth?

2. Do I have a competitive advantage in this market which I can utilize to generate returns which meet or exceed my own investment return criteria?

In order to answer question number 1, here are a few resources you can leverage:

-Bureau of Labor Statistics - bls.gov

-Trulia - trulia.com

-We Are Apartments - weareapartments.org

-City Data - city-data.com

-Vendors and Professionals who operate in that market - Real Estate Agents, Mortgage Brokers, Contractors, Small Business Owners, etc.

-Attend Local Meetups and get a gauge for that market

In order to answer question number 2, you will have to ask yourself the following questions:

-What is my specific RE strategy?

-Which market is this strategy best suited for?

-Do I need a team in order to execute this RE strategy? If so, which market is this team best suited for?

-What relationships can I leverage in these markets? If none, am I able to more effectively build relationships in one market versus the other?

These are just a few things that you can think about before jumping in, and in doing so hopefully one market will stand out to you. The main point here is that whichever strategy and market you decide to pursue needs to be something that makes sense for you. It will be your business, your money, your time and your life, so figure out what's important to you, where you can capitalize on the resources you have, what you're good at and build your business around those things. 

Another thought, why not invest in both? Good luck!

Post: Use equity in rental houses to buy multiple apartment complexes?

Kevin DeanPosted
  • Rental Property Investor
  • Chantilly, VA
  • Posts 104
  • Votes 149

@Jack B. one strategy could be to leverage lines of credit on that equity, or use your liquid cash and invest passively as a limited partner in larger multifamily syndications or actively in a joint venture where you are involved as an operating partner. If you go the syndication route, you will not have to worry about personally arranging financing as that will be on the General Partners shoulders, and you will gain the exposure to Multifamily that you are looking for. You will obviously still be responsible for assuring that the investment meets all of your criteria.

You would need to analyze the spread between the cost of your line of credit, and the projected return of the proposed investment. If the spread is wide enough for your comfort, and you believe the likelihood of achieving that spread over your cost for the line of credit, then you can make a return on that equity that is currently trapped inside of your real estate.

If you are concerned about using leverage in order to buy into a leveraged investment, then it would be wise to go the cash route rather than using a line of credit.  

Post: Best Ways to Get to Know Your Market

Kevin DeanPosted
  • Rental Property Investor
  • Chantilly, VA
  • Posts 104
  • Votes 149

Hey @Danielle Wolter in addition to what has already been said, I would also say that you can utilize Google Maps as much as possible prior to visiting your market. You can learn a ton about a market prior to traveling to that market, and the travel should be to either confirm or disprove what you already know based on your research, as well as to build relationships in that market. 

As mentioned before, if you're going to be investing thousands of dollars into a market, it is more than worth your time and money to get a hotel room and a plane ticket. One word of caution however is to not let confirmation bias get the best of you. After you have traveled to the market, make sure that you don't let your emotions get the best of you. Having the sunk cost of time and money after traveling to a market may make you more willing to invest in that market despite potentially negative information collected during your due diligence trip to the market.

The key here is the following:

1. Use as many free resources as possible to objectively evaluate the market prior to traveling to the market.

2. After deciding that the market is one you want to pursue, travel to the market in order to confirm/disprove your thoughts based on your research.

3. Objectively evaluate the market in person while building the necessary relationships to grow your portfolio in that market.

4. Don't let confirmation bias creep in throughout the process.

Good luck!

Post: Is new multi family development a good sign to invest in an area?

Kevin DeanPosted
  • Rental Property Investor
  • Chantilly, VA
  • Posts 104
  • Votes 149

@Taylor L. and @Jay Hinrichs this is a great conversation. 

In your experience, have you been able to get solid information on new deliveries in a submarket you are investing in? If so, how have you been able to get that reliable information? 

After receiving that information, how do you go about factoring in the effect of those new deliveries on pro forma vacancy/rent growth/etc.? 

Interested to hear how you think about this, thanks.

Post: Is Multi unit pricing to high?

Kevin DeanPosted
  • Rental Property Investor
  • Chantilly, VA
  • Posts 104
  • Votes 149

Hey @BOB CRANEY you present a couple of really good questions here. 

#1. Why are the larger apartment complexes selling at a higher sales price per unit as compared to the smaller 1 - 4 unit properties? 

One of the advantages of investing in larger properties is the economies of scale you are able to realize on the expense side. 

For example, management fees are an expense which has an inverse relationship to size. So, as the size of the property and amount of revenue generated increases, the management fee as a percentage decreases. For example, you may have to pay a 10% management fee to a property manager who manages a four unit property. Property management fees for 100+ unit properties are usually 3 - 4%, and can be as low as 2%. 

These economies of scale happen across a number of expenses which occur in the management of large multifamily properties. As a result, your NOI per unit should increase for larger properties. Because the larger properties are valued based on their income, this can result in a higher per unit sales price as you scale up into larger properties.

#2. What is an average expense ratio to use when analyzing properties? 

My guidance is to never use a rule of thumb when calculating expense ratio for larger apartment complexes. There are many reasons why I would advise against using a rule of thumb, but here are a few reasons why your expense ratio can change significantly from property to property:

-Age and Class(A/B/C) of Asset - In general, the older the property, the higher the expense ratio. 

-Location - Every location in the United States has a different labor costs relative to rent. As a result, payroll per door varies significantly throughout the country. For example, in Los Angeles, your payroll per door may be $2,000 per unit. In Tennessee however, payroll per door may be as low as $800 per door. 

-Size of operator - in general, the larger the operator, the lower the expenses. For example, a large operator such as Sam Zell of Equity Residential is able to utilize in house lawyers to lower property taxes, in house accountants to lower professional fees, in house construction which can negotiate lower costs for Capital Expenditure items and will also most likely have a centralized marketing department that is able to service all of their properties in a cost effective manner. Most of these efficiencies will not be able to be realized by a smaller owner who owns 500 to 3000 units. As a result, the larger operator can offer a higher price for the same property, and still generate equivalent returns. 

-Utility expenses - These can vary widely due to geography, age of property, tenant class and whether or not utilities are paid by the owner or the tenants. 

-Taxes - These also vary widely geographically and as mentioned above, can change based on ownership. 

In conclusion, the first takeaway is that you may be comparing apples and oranges when comparing properties of different sizes, even if they are in the same market. Secondly, if you use rules of thumb for evaluating expenses, you will either be missing out on great opportunities, or will be overpaying when expenses turn out to be higher than expected. Take each expense one at a time and build your expense ratio line by line. 

Another thought, your observation when comparing per door sales price across different property sizes is great. Doing this in different markets may expose opportunities that are overlooked by others. 

Let me know if you have any other questions. Thanks!