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All Forum Posts by: James Orr

James Orr has started 158 posts and replied 335 times.

Post: Nomad Podcast: Bookkeeping & Accounting for Real Estate Investors

James OrrPosted
  • Real Estate Agent
  • Fort Collins, CO
  • Posts 350
  • Votes 221

This episode of the Nomad Real Estate Investing Podcast is all about keeping track of your expenses and income for your rental properties. If you're looking to keep your thumb on the pulse of your rental business but don't know where to start then listen to this episode. 

You can find Bookkeeping & Accounting for Real Estate Investors by clicking on the link, searching for us on iTunes, or on our website.

Enjoy the show!

Post: Nomad Podcast: Zero to a Million in Investment Interview

James OrrPosted
  • Real Estate Agent
  • Fort Collins, CO
  • Posts 350
  • Votes 221

This episode of the Nomad Real Estate Investing Podcast is from an interview we did of one of our members during a Northern Colorado Real Estate Investing Group meeting. During the interview Mary talks about the successes and setbacks she has experienced while following the Nomad model of real estate investing. It is truly inspiring and we are so grateful to her for taking the time to share this with us.

You can find the Zero to Million Dollar Investment in Real Estate Interview by clicking on the link, searching for us on iTunes, or on our website.

Enjoy the show!

Post: Property Manager in Fort Collins

James OrrPosted
  • Real Estate Agent
  • Fort Collins, CO
  • Posts 350
  • Votes 221

The Fort Collins based investor club, NCREIG, did a almost 2 hour class in Fort Collins on how to select and manage your property manager last year. It is the class from Aug 30, 2017 on the podcast and has a ton of info on how to select a local property managers and then, once you have one, how to manage the property manager as well.

Post: Bookkeeping and Accounting for Real Estate Investors

James OrrPosted
  • Real Estate Agent
  • Fort Collins, CO
  • Posts 350
  • Votes 221

Thanks Tyler. We are trying to record it and will add it to the Nomad Real Estate Investing podcast. You can search for that. Thanks!

Post: Bookkeeping and Accounting for Real Estate Investors

James OrrPosted
  • Real Estate Agent
  • Fort Collins, CO
  • Posts 350
  • Votes 221

Join us for our weekly Northern Colorado Real Estate Investor Group class Bookkeeping and Accounting for Real Estate Investors.

This is the best class on learning how to properly keep track of your income, expenses and stay organized with your finances as a real estate investor.

Agenda:

5:45pm - Registration opens
6:00pm - Class start and Introductions
8:00pm - Class ends/Networking Begins

Class is free but RSVP is required as space is limited.

We teach a different class every week so check out our calendar to see what topics are coming up next!
https://www.meetup.com/Northern-Colorado-Real-Estate-Investor-Group/events/calendar/

Specializing in real estate and real estate investing in Fort Collins, Loveland, Greeley, Windsor, Timnath, Berthoud, and all of Northern Colorado.

Post: Zero to a Million-Dollars in Investment Real Estate Interview

James OrrPosted
  • Real Estate Agent
  • Fort Collins, CO
  • Posts 350
  • Votes 221

Join us for our weekly Northern Colorado Real Estate Investor Group class.

This week we will be interviewing our very own local Nomad Super-Star about her experience with the Nomad model.

Agenda:
5:45pm - Registration opens
6:00pm - Class start and Introductions
8:00pm - Class ends/Networking Begins

Class is free but RSVP is required as space is limited.

We teach a different class every week so check out our calendar to see what topics are coming up next!
https://www.meetup.com/Northern-Colorado-Real-Estate-Investor-Group/events/calendar/

Post: Sell as-is OR improve and sell

James OrrPosted
  • Real Estate Agent
  • Fort Collins, CO
  • Posts 350
  • Votes 221

@Joseph Weisenbloom... yes, that makes sense to me and sounds like a reasonable plan. I'd be interested to hear what happens when you do it. Love hearing the success stories... maybe come back to this thread and post the details if you're willing?

Post: Wholesaling as an agent

James OrrPosted
  • Real Estate Agent
  • Fort Collins, CO
  • Posts 350
  • Votes 221

I am not an attorney, but I am managing broker of a VERY SMALL real estate brokerage in Colorado where I work. Laws and brokerage agreements I am sure vary state to state, but here's how I see it.

If you are wholesaling, you are likely putting properties under contract to buy for your own portfolio. Then, when you find a buyer, you are assigning your rights in your personal contract to that buyer in exchange for a fee.

First, if you were working for me as a real estate agent where I was your managing broker, I have an obligation from the state to supervise your real estate activities and if I don't do that properly I can be reprimanded and/or fined and/or possibly lose my license. So, I'd want to know what you're doing and make sure you were doing it legally to be in compliance. That likely means, the brokerage will want to be paid a fee.

Second, some brokerages will allow you to do your own deals without paying the brokerage part of the commission (or a discounted amount based on your arrangement). If I recall correctly, when I wasn't my own brokerage, I could do 3 personal deals per year with the brokerage and all I had to pay was a $250 file review fee to the brokerage to make sure the file was done correctly in case we got audited. Any above that, I had to pay the brokerage their part of the commission based on the split.

I am sure there are great exceptions to what I am about to say, but as someone who has done a VERY large amount of wholesaling earlier in my career and a lot more brokerage in the later part of my career, my opinion is that you typically can do better financially through brokerage than by wholesaling. If you think about it, brokerage you only need to find the buyer OR the seller and you might earn 3% of the purchase price. For wholesaling, you need to find the investor buyer AND the motivated seller and on many deals you're not even earning 3% of the purchase price. Twice the work, for often less money. Harder to find a motivated seller willing to sell at a discount or creatively than to find any old seller and easier to find any buyer than one that can buy at a big discount for cash or with creative terms. Plus, you have risk of being a principal in the transaction as a wholesaler.

One could (and some may say should), consider converting your presentation to motivated sellers to a listing presentation and not offer to buy it yourself at all.

For example, with your managing broker's permission, you could get either a full listing contract and market the property properly, get your seller maximum dollar (whether that's to an investor buyer or owner occupant buyer). Commissions are negotiated and can be more or less depending on your office policy.

Or, again with your managing broker's permission, tell the seller you know several investors that might be interested and get a listing... maybe a limited listing instead of a contract to buy it yourself... maybe as a transaction broker so you're just helping the buyer and seller consummate the sale (not representing either party as a fiduciary) and charge a commission instead of a wholesale fee.

Just spit-balling ideas for you, but check with your managing broker to structure something that does work for all of you. Some of these will need to be massaged and adapted to be compliant and legal in your area. Heck, I'd check with my attorney here if I planned to do any of that in my state (which I am not doing).

As an aside... here in Colorado, attorneys strongly advice AGAINST doing marketing as an investor (think "I'll Buy Your House") and then, if you can't buy it for your price, switching to "I'll List Your House" and represent you as an agent. I think their primary point is that it can come across as "bait and switch" the end consumer and we're supposed to be protecting consumers.

Sorry to be long-winded, but does that help at all?

Post: Need help on a deal in Houston

James OrrPosted
  • Real Estate Agent
  • Fort Collins, CO
  • Posts 350
  • Votes 221

@Katy Hall... thank for sharing this chart from Zillow's website about their accuracy. If folks don't mind, since Houston don't have numbers I'll use Dallas-Fort Worth numbers to convert the numbers shown there to what it means in the real world.

Only 1 time out of 3 will a property that sells for $200,000 be "zestimated" to be worth between $190,000 and $210,000. It means that 2 out of 3 times, a property that sells for $200,000 is "zestimated" by Zillow to be worth either more than $210,000 or less than $190,000.

Can you afford to be that far off in price that frequently?

1 time out of 5, a property that sells for $200,000 will be "zestimated" to be worth either less than $160,000 or more than $240,000.

These are stats provide by Zillow about their own accuracy (from the chart posted by Katy).

Zillow is a pretty slick tool, but my opinion is that you should do your own comparable sales (or ask your real estate agent to do/help with it).

Post: Selling Agent lying about having a tenant.

James OrrPosted
  • Real Estate Agent
  • Fort Collins, CO
  • Posts 350
  • Votes 221

Just a gentle reminder that getting copies of leases is one thing; getting estoppel statements from the tenants is another thing altogether.

In really hot markets (seller's markets), a buyer may opt to forgo asking for estoppel statements to make their offer stronger, but in a balanced market or buyer's market, I advise my clients to insist on estoppel statements as well as the lease.

The estoppel statement verifies with the tenant a few important things and is signed by the tenant confirming your assumptions based on the leases you receive.

  1. Which lease the tenant believes is their current one (which may or may not be the one the seller or the seller's agent gave you... that's one of the reasons you want the estoppel statement).
  2. How much money the tenant thinks the landlord (which will be you when you buy) is holding of theirs. Better to find out that the tenant thinks you're holding $2,000 before you close when the landlord is only giving you $1,000.
  3. Who the tenant actually is... sometimes a tenant will "sub-lease" without giving notice to the landlord. You should probably know that before closing.
  4. That no modifications, verbal or in writing have been made to the lease.
  5. When the lease went into affect and when it expires.
  6. If the tenant has paid any rents in advance and how much.
  7. Any rent concessions given by the landlord and how much.
  8. Whether the tenant is or is not in default of the terms of the lease.
  9. Whether the landlord is or is not in default of the terms of the lease.
  10. Any additional provisions or other agreements between tenants and landlord.

In Colorado, there is a standard Estoppel Statement that folks can use and if you're buying a property with a tenant and using the correct state issued income contract, it has deadline dates and a section about estoppel statements already included. Here is a sample of what it might look like:

And, finally, as a side note: here in Colorado, who pays the commission has nothing to do with who the real estate broker represents. About 90% of my business is representing buyers (and most of them are investors) and I represent them as a fiduciary with their best interests (not the Seller's nor my own first) and I am 99% of the time paid by the Seller's Real Estate Brokerage (which most people would say the Seller, but it is technically not correct to say the Seller).