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All Forum Posts by: Logan Padilla

Logan Padilla has started 0 posts and replied 19 times.

Quote from @Will Newmiller:

Good Afternoon everyone,

New to the forum here a few books pointed me in this direction would love some real estate advice for someone who is just starting out. All my information is below. 

Currently have no home and spent the last 3 years in California. Didn’t know much at all about investing which lead to me putting a lot of money into the stock market. Age is 26

Pay of $3,200 every two weeks. Pay will be $3,400 in June. I am in a serious relationship but not married also with no kids or pets. 

Expenses (Monthly):

$500 a month for student loans (total of 16k left)

$1,500 per month dedicated to various expenses including car insurance, food, entertainment, and other bills (Won’t go into detail on how its broken up but it is deficiently accounted for meticulously on my own budget and is paid off in full every month on my credit card)

No current rent expenses 

Car is currently paid off. I believe it will last a decade.

Investment (Monthly):

$1,500 into High Yield Savings Account

$500 into Mutual Fund/Brokerage Account

$500 into Roth IRA

$200 into Robinhood (More risk adverse stocks here)

5% of pay into TSP C fund (Had it at 15% for a long time recently lowered it to 5 in order to build up more liquid assets

Net Worth:

$7,500 – HYS

$20,600 – Brokerage account

$14,500 – Roth IRA

$11,000 – Robinhood

$3,600- Checking account ($2,000 Emergency Fund)

$34,000- TSP

Net Worth ~ 64K


Live in NC and plan to start investing in here. If anyone has any inputs on either this topic or ways to improve my investment strategies it would be greatly appreciated. Additionally, if anyone has any good books to recommend for someone starting out that would be awesome as well  


 This is certainly a great place to put out feelers and get some feedback, so great first move!

It was mentioned above, but if you purchase a multi-unit property and live in one unit to begin, you can put as little as 5% down and use the income from the other units to help you qualify. This is a great way to enter the investor space. 

Also, something to keep in mind is that when an underwriter is calculating your debt-to-income ratio to qualify you, they will only take into account what's on your credit report, so things like food, entertainment, car insurance, etc. won't affect you. 

Quote from @David U.:

Hi everyone, 

I'm trying evaluate between two options. I currently have to apartments that I rent out. Both are owned without any debt. One is STR and one is LTR. After all fees, taxes, management and cleaning, i have cash flow of about 2000.


I'm trying to evaluate the two different ideas for adding the next unit.

Option A, I keep saving all cash flow to buy the next unit with cash.

Option B, I take out a mortgage on the third unit and apply all spare cash flow to paying down the mortgage as soon as possible. The deal doesn't cash flow in the beginning because of the mortgage payment, but will once the mortgage is paid off. 

What calculations should I use to Evaluate these two deals? 

Option B, would have a negative cash flow of 200. So, I calculated a 25 year mortgage and 1800 of additional payments per month. It would be done in 5 years and 2 months. I took the new property and assumed a 3% appreciation during that time, which is slightly under the historical average for the area.

(Total value of the property after 5 years with 3% appreciation) 

Vs.

(saved down payment) + (2000 per month positive cash flow for 5 years and 2 months  all invested at 5% interest.

I come out a touch over 50k ahead on option B, but I'm probably missing something

I realize there are other ways to do it, but I wanted to see if there is something else I should be considering when weighing these two specific choices. 


Two viable options. I've alway been a proponent of preserving liquidity and letting in work in a separate market. If you take out a mortgage with a minimal down payment and connect with a solid financial advisor, you can take advantage of the appreciation of the property, which is going to be the same regardless of how much equity you have, and you can have the rest of the money working for you elsewhere. Once you blend the income from the investment property and the gain from your stock portfolio, you may very well be in the green from the beginning. 

Quote from @Michael Ashe:
Quote from @Logan Padilla:

It's worth noting that a HELOC rate is always going to be substantially higher than a conventional loan. With an investment property, you can put as little as 5% down. If you are able to handle that + closing costs without the need for a HELOC, you forego the higher rate on a portion of you equity. If you absolutely must use the HELOC to access the needed liquidity, it is still a viable option.


That's a great perspective that I hadn't considered. If the HELOC interest rate is considerably higher than the right on the mortgage like you said it might not be the best idea financially to use that for a down payment. I know generally from what I've seen conventional loans are normally 20% down and that's where my holdup is. I don't have enough liquid to swing that for the kind of property that I would want to purchase. But you mentioned some loans for rentals require as low as 5% down? Do you happen to know if that is a particular kind of loan that I can ask around about?


 Apologies, but I misread the original post a bit. You would need to live in the multi-family (at first, anyway) to take advantage of the 5% down option. 

If the numbers work out and you do end up going with a HELOC or a HELOAN, you can do so with the intention of refinancing your entire first mortgage when rates drop, absorbing that 2nd. The only way this may not make the most sense is if you have a 3%-4% rate on your first.

@Chris Rich Good point. An overly-saturated market should certainly be taken into account. I always suggest everyone run an AirDNA report prior to entering into any STR market.


My sources for appreciation are an aggregate of FRED, US Census, BLS, JBRG, NAR, and MLS data.

Paying all-cash isn't a bad move, but by financing the property, you can preserve your liquidity, invest it, and let it work for you. Then, you have money working for you in an investment account on top of the appreciation from the property and the equity gain from paying down the principal balance.

There are great opportunities in every market, so it's really about finding the right place. To arm you with a little more knowledge, the average 5-year rate of appreciation for Tampa is 9.2%, while the average 5-year rate of appreciation for Orlando is a little lower, at 8.56% That said, Orlando is a tourist hub, so my advice would be if you're looking for something short-term (AirBNB), finding a place in Orlando around the attractions could be the way to go, but if you're looking for a more long-term investment, Tampa may be your best bet.

An FHA loan is only for a primary residence - that is correct; however, there are a multitude of other products that may work for you. One strategy could be to get a seller credit (or build it into the offer) for a temporary buydown to hold you over until rates fall to a point in which it makes sense to refinance into something long-term. A temporary buydown would lower your rate by up to 3% for the first year and it would progressively by 1 point increments, on a yearly basis, until the full rate is reached. Chances are, you will refinance by the time the rate reaches its max, and whatever money is remaining from the credit would be applied to your principal balance as a reduction.

If you're looking to start a portfolio, you could use the money to fix and flip a property, then turn those profits into new acquisitions. As long as you have a strong team, you can be fairly hands-off, leaving you time to focus on your studies. As the portfolio grows, you can then move into fix and holds, and hire a property manager, and your business becomes virtually autonomous. 

It's worth noting that a HELOC rate is always going to be substantially higher than a conventional loan. With an investment property, you can put as little as 5% down. If you are able to handle that + closing costs without the need for a HELOC, you forego the higher rate on a portion of you equity. If you absolutely must use the HELOC to access the needed liquidity, it is still a viable option.