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All Forum Posts by: Drew Sygit

Drew Sygit has started 42 posts and replied 9494 times.

Post: Sometimes, its easier to work with problem tenants than strong arm them.

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@Nick Rutkowski no good deed goes unpunished by desperate people:(

We try cash-for-keys (CFK) all the time, but tenants always think they're smarter than us.

Most are so ignorant, they expect the funds BEFORE they move out.

NEVER!

They must first move out, leave the property broom-cleaned, and then they can pick up the funds at our attorney's office.

Most won't agree to all this - so they are liars.

Post: Best Area For Starting Out

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@Kaleb Johnson

Recommend you first figure out the property Class you want to invest in, THEN figure out the corresponding location to invest in.

Property Class will typically dictate the Class of tenant you get, which greatly IMPACTS rental income stability and property maintenance/damage by tenants.

If you apply Class A assumptions to a Class B or C purchase, your expectations won’t be met and it may be a financial disaster.

If you buy/renovate a property in Class D area to Class A standards, what quality of tenant will you get?

Similarly, if you put several Class D tenants in a Class A 4-plex, what do you think will happen to the property?

So, when investing in areas they don’t really know, investors should research the different property Class submarkets.

Here’s our OPINION for the Metro Detroit market (use as a template for your target area!) that we’ve learned in our 24 years, managing almost 700 doors across the Metro Detroit area, including almost 100 S8 leases:

Class A Properties:
Cashflow vs Appreciation: Typically, 3-5 years for positive cashflow, but you get highest relative rent & value appreciation.
Vacancy Est: Historically 10%, 5% the more recent norm.
Tenant Pool: Majority will have FICO scores of 680+ (roughly 5% probability of default), zero evictions in last 7 years.

Class B Properties:
Cashflow vs Appreciation: Typically, decent amount of relative rent & value appreciation.
Vacancy Est: Historically 10%, 5% should be applied only if proper research done to support.
Tenant Pool: Majority will have FICO scores of 620-680 (around 10% probability of default), some blemishes, but should have no evictions in last 5 years

Class C Properties:
Cashflow vs Appreciation: Typically, high cashflow and at the lower end of relative rent & value appreciation. Can try to reposition to Class B, but neighborhood may impede these efforts.
Vacancy Est: Historically 10%, but 15-20% should be used to also cover tenant nonpayment, eviction costs & damages.
Tenant Pool: majority will have FICO scores of 560-620 (approaching 22% probability of default), many blemishes, but should have no evictions in last 2 years. Verifying last 2 years of rental history very important! Also, focus on 2 years of job/income stability.

Class D Properties:
Cashflow vs Appreciation: Typically, all cashflow with little, maybe even negative, relative rent & value appreciation
Vacancy Est: 20%+ should be used to cover nonpayment, evictions & damages.
Tenant Pool: majority will have FICO scores under 560 (almost 30% probability of default), little to no good tradelines, lots of collections & chargeoffs, recent evictions. Verifying last 2 years of rental history and income extremely important to find the “best of the worst”.

Make sure you understand the Class of properties you are looking at and the corresponding results to expect.

The City of Detroit has 183 Neighborhoods we’ve analyzed.

DM us if you’d like to discuss this logical approach in greater detail!

Post: Kind Distance Frustration

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@Krissi Miramontes probably better if you sell, but here are some observations:

1) Positive is you have two buildings next door to each other, which makes it easier to manage. Visit one, you can visit both.

2) For Class C & D properties, one-man PMCs can often be the best option. 
While bigger PMCs have more resources, they are less flexible and their standard processes often don't apply well to low class properties.
A small PMC should be more local based and willing to visit property more often and listen to you. Biggest challenge is they spread themselves too thin and have no processes, so are unorganized.

3) NEVER install mechanicals in vacant Class C & D buildings! 
As you experienced, they are often stolen. Worse, they attract squatters.
Your PMC should know this and put in the rental ad, "Mechanicals to be installed at tenant MoveIn". If a propety needs rehab, contractors can use propane or electric heaters.

4) Recommend using 20% vacancy (to include tenant nonperformance) and 20% maintenance (Class C/D tenants break a lot of things) in your cashflow calculations. If the numbers do NOT work - SELL.

Understand you will have to manage your PMC well, otherwise they may let these properties go down the tubes.

Post: Multifamily Market Outlook for the Washington D.C. Metro

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wow!

Post: New Landlord - Tenant Refusing Payment Method

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@Olivia Blake how much money will you potentially lose by strong-arming a tenant and then having them break the lease early - or even just not renew?

You'll lose rent while property is vacant, and you'll probably have to do more repairs to attract a new tenant than you would to keep the current tenant.

Is all that worth requiring a tenant to use one specific payment platform?

Only you can decide!

As a PMC, we allow tenants to:

1) Mail in rent (we charge a Processing Fee)

2) Deposit at our bank (we charge a Processing Fee, but less than the mailing one)

3) Use Zelle, Venmo, etc. (we charge the same Processing Fee as depositing to our bank)

4) Pay online using their tenant portal (we absorb the small fee, to encourage this behavior as the internal resources saved more than cover that fee)

We understand we have scales of efficiency a DIY landlord won't.

Post: Flat Rate vs. Percentage Based Managment Fee

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It's interesting that prior to the Great Real Estate Crash of 2008-2010, I'd NEVER heard of Flat Fee management fees.

Not sure who the first company was that came up with them (post if you know!), but in Metro Detroit the first one was Castle PM around 2014. They started out with such low flat fees, the rest of us PMC's wondered how they were staying in business. Found out they were using Philippine VA's and VC money. When the VC moneydried up, they had to drastically raise their flat fees, but were still out of business within a year.

Since them, several other national flat fee brands have set up shop in Metro Detroit. A couple only lasted 2-3 years before closing. One of them still here, appears to have drastically raised their flat fee prices across the USA.

Hmm, seeing a pattern?

Our opinion is flat fee pricing started after the crash, when investors were buying Class A properties to rent out. Class A properties are fairly EASY to manage, tenants rarely don't pay and there's little maintenance to do, so this makes sense!

Every example listed above this response referenced rental amounts of at least $2,000.

When it comes to managing Class B properties/tenants, the flat fee model can still work, but issues with services start to appear.

We've not seen a flat fee PMC effectively manage Class C or D properties/tenants here in Metro Detroit. Sorting through all the sub-600 FICO score applicants, dealing with nonpaying tenants who are always breaking things and more, doesn't seem to be compatible with the flat fee model.

Be interested to know of any flat fee PMC's successfully making it happen with Class C & D properties/tenants...

Post: A Logical Way to Understand & Monitor Your PMC's Maintenance Charges!

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Maintenance is one of the biggest challenges, maybe even #1, in the Property Management industry.

Seems maintenance is, Never Fast Enough for Tenants, or Cheap Enough for Owners!

One of the biggest challenges for everyone involved is being on the same page about the actual time required for maintenance.

DIY landlords rarely properly track their time when it comes to property management in general - tracking their true time invested in maintenance is where they perform the worst.

Investors that hire PMCs are rarely any better at understanding the true amount of time maintenance takes. To them, everything takes "5 minutes" to do.

The entire PMC industry has major challenges when it comes to handling maintenance, so it's a featured topic at most industry conferences. 

Even the best property management companies (PMC) struggle with:

- Finding reliable handyman and contractors (ServiceTechs)
- Same with affordable ones
- Tracking preventive maintenance
- Tracking previous work for potential reoccurrence warranty coverage
- Understanding tenant reported problems, so the correct ServiceTech can be dispatched
- Determining if tenant is at fault for an issue & should be charged - and will proof stand up in court?
- Controlling costs for payroll processing, unemployment charges, workman's comp and liability insurance
- Coordinating ServiceTech & tenant schedules for appointments
--- There are several industry vendors that focus on just this! (Property Meld for one)
--- Owners often think a PMC can just enter a tenant's home to make repairs, but don't really understand the potential legal issues of entering when a tenant is not home.
--- Owners don't understand the percentage of maintenance appointments tenants miss!
- And more...

Let's move past all of the above and focus on understanding and monitoring maintenance charges PMC's bill to their clients.

There are two basic components of every maintenance bill, labor & materials. Let's look at each:

MATERIALS

Materials are actually the easier of the two to understand & monitor - as long as there's a decent amount of transparency about the materials needed.
- Once an owner knows what materials are being used, they can then check pricing at Home Depot, Lowe's, etc. 
- Some materials for bigger jobs, like concrete, are harder to check pricing on. You can call suppliers, but may need very specific details to get a meaningful number. You also have to ask about delivery costs and more.

LABOR

Labor charges are trickier to understand, but Google AI to the rescue! 

You can Google just about any specific maintenance issue and ask how many hours does it take. You may have to do this several times for all the different tasks being done.

The only labor cost not covered by this type of online inquiry is drive time from the businessto the property, to the store & back for supplies and then back to the business address. Many ServiceTechs cover this via a service call fee. 

Let's use an example of replacing a leaking kitchen faucet (assuming it can't be repaired):

You can easily find out how much the materials are by going to the Home Depot website and picking one out.

For labor we Googled, "How long does it take to replace a kitchen faucet" and this is the answer we got:

AI Overview: Replacing a kitchen faucet can take 30 minutes to several hours, depending on the faucet's complexity and whether you're doing it yourself.

Professional

  • A professional plumber can usually replace a kitchen faucet in 30–60 minutes.
  • However, it can take longer if the faucet is wall-mounted or if there are other challenges.
  • Plumbers typically charge $45–$200 per hour.

DIY

  • A first-time DIYer can expect to spend several hours replacing a kitchen faucet.
  • The time it takes depends on your experience and the faucet's complexity.
  • You'll need tools like wrenches, a putty knife, and a small bucket.
  • You'll also need materials like supply lines, silicone caulk, and plumbers tape.

You may be tempted to be cheap and estimate only 30 minutes, but you should estimate an hour to be safe.

What about the time to go to the property to figure out if a 2-hole or 3-hole faucet is needed, then drive to Home Depot to get it, drive back to install and then head either to the next job or back to the office? Most times you can be pretty safe estimating an hour for this, but if your property is in a rural area or a heavily congested urban area with slow-moving traffic, you may need to be realistic about it taking longer.

BTW: you should be realistic about a Service Call fee even for little jobs. Time is money in the service world and you should expect a base charge if a PMC has to send a ServiceTech to fix something that truly only take 10 minutes to do. They still have to pay the ServiceTech to drive there and back and go get any needed materials.

LABOR COSTS

Now that you have a decent idea of the time required, you need to try figure out what a ServiceTech should cost per hour. This will vary depending on if a handyman can do the job or a licensed contractor is needed. Since costs of living depend on the area of the country, this will also influence hourly rates.

Again though, Google AI can provide answers!

For an example, we Googled, "hourly rate for handyman Austin, TX" and got this:

AI Overview: As of January 2025, the average hourly rate for a handyman in Austin, Texas is between $25 and $25.28. However, the rate can vary depending on the job's complexity, the handyman's experience, and the region. Factors that affect hourly rate

  • Job complexity: More complex jobs may cost more.
  • Handyman's experience: Less experienced handymen may charge less.
  • Region: Some regions have higher labor rates.
  • Minimum charge: Some handymen may charge a minimum fee for small jobs.
  • Mileage: Some handymen may charge a mileage fee for jobs outside their service area.

What to expect to pay

  • A handyman may charge between $35 and $80 per hour.
  • A handyman may charge a minimum fee of $50–$100 for small jobs.
  • A handyman may charge a mileage fee of $0.30–$0.60 per mile.

Google Ai even warns you about minimum fees and mileage charges!

Hopefully, you've followed all of this so far. Unfortunately, it's now going to get more complicated:(

There are two types of approaches PMCs use to bill for maintenance:

1) In-house ServiceTechs on the payroll, so owners are billed for their time by the hour.
While the labor charges above are useful, they don't cover the true costs a PMC incurs, like:
- Payroll costs for FICA, Social Security, Medicare, etc. that typically add 25-40% to the hourly rate
- Medical insurance costs for the worker
- Payroll processing costs to handle all of the above
- Liability insurance costs in case worker damages something or injures someone
- Workman's Compensation insurance
- Costs of vehicles and tools
- and more...

Typically the management contract will disclose the total hourly rate an owner will be charged. Just be aware it's highly unlikely the hourly rate will be negotiable. An owner can challenge the number of hours their PMC bills them for a project though.

2) Contracting every job out, but the bids aren't shared and owner just gets a bill on PMC letterhead covering labor & materials, with little detail.
This is a pretty difficult situation to understand the charges, so you can monitor them. 
- The smaller the job, the easier to understand using the material & labor steps above.
- Larger jobs may require requests for more detail, so the above steps can be applied.

Be sure to check your management contract for what you agreed to. Unfortunately, most PMC contracts are pretty vague making it a challenge to get useful information.

3) A mix of the two above
Some PMCs have internal handyman type ServiceTechs for small jobs that they bill hourly for, but get bids for any job requiring a licensed contractor.

An owner should understand what type(s) of the above that their PMC uses and discuss as necessary to better understand.

THE CHALLENGES OF GETTING 3 BIDS

We wanted to touch on this topic because it seems to be a pain point between PMCs and owners.

In theory, it's easy to get multiple bids - you just search online for companies and contact them to get a bid. 

But there are some basic bid issues owners are often unreasonable about:

1) There really isn't time to get multiple bids
- No heat during winter or ac during summer can often result in a municipal ticket or worse
2) The job is too small to get bids
- Estimated cost is $700 - how is saving 5-10% worth the time getting bids?
3) Wanting more than 3 bids
- When the first 3 bids aren't low enough for an owner, they think nothing of asking their PMC to get more. They forget time is money and the PMC shouldn't be expected to do this without additional compensation.

Also, many owners are too focused on the cheapest price without understanding all the potential pitfalls. In reality, there's so much more involved that many owners don't stop to think about:

1) Is the contractor properly licensed AND insured?
2) What is their Service Call fee?
3) How flexible is the contractor about meeting at the property for their inspection to generate a bid? 
- Can be a big challenge when tenants are involved for access!
4) How long will it take to get their bid?
5) If approved, how much will they want upfront, when can they start and what's their expected completion date?
6) How do they warranty their work and how can it be legally enforced?
7) What's their reputation?
8) How detailed are their bids?
9) What happens if they don't show when they are supposed and work quality is poor?
10) What can be done if a 3-day job is now in week 3 and still not done?

Many owners expect their PMC to spend unreasonable amounts of time chasing bids and be liable for all of the above issues when something goes wrong.

We hope owners find this post helpful and others can add their expertise to it!

Post: What type of locks do you use for external doors on your rentals?

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@Maranda Tucker we have a locksmith as have found it's overall cheaper to just rekey locks versus changing them.
- We can better control what's on our master key system
- EVERY lock at a property is opened with one key (well, maybe not the garage car-door)!
- Yes, it does take more time to schedule this:(
--- Our FieldTechs do have sets of locks our locksmith has pre-keyed, so we can "rekey" a property faster. Still not a perfect system though.

Also, we ONLY install passage doorknobs and keyed deadbolts.
- Logically, there really is no additional security provided with both keyed doorknob & deadbolt, but a deadbolt is more secure than a keyed doorknob.
- Since you need a key to lock a deadbolt when you leave the premises, tenant's can't lock their key(s) in the home and then pester us to come let them back in.
--- Tenants can still lose their keys outside their home:(

Post: Hey everyone!! im new and READY. located in flint

Drew Sygit
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@Jacob Riddle here's some copy & paste info you  hopefully find helpful!

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Recommend you first figure out the property Class you want to invest in, THEN figure out the corresponding location to invest in.

Property Class will typically dictate the Class of tenant you get, which greatly IMPACTS rental income stability and property maintenance/damage by tenants.

If you apply Class A assumptions to a Class B or C purchase, your expectations won’t be met and it may be a financial disaster.

If you buy/renovate a property in Class D area to Class A standards, what quality of tenant will you get?

Similarly, if you put several Class D tenants in a Class A 4-plex, what do you think will happen to the property?

So, when investing in areas they don’t really know, investors should research the different property Class submarkets.

Here’s our OPINION for the Metro Detroit market (use as a template for your target area!) that we’ve learned in our 24 years, managing almost 700 doors across the Metro Detroit area, including almost 100 S8 leases:

Class A Properties:
Cashflow vs Appreciation: Typically, 3-5 years for positive cashflow, but you get highest relative rent & value appreciation.
Vacancy Est: Historically 10%, 5% the more recent norm.
Tenant Pool: Majority will have FICO scores of 680+ (roughly 5% probability of default), zero evictions in last 7 years.

Class B Properties:
Cashflow vs Appreciation: Typically, decent amount of relative rent & value appreciation.
Vacancy Est: Historically 10%, 5% should be applied only if proper research done to support.
Tenant Pool: Majority will have FICO scores of 620-680 (around 10% probability of default), some blemishes, but should have no evictions in last 5 years

Class C Properties:
Cashflow vs Appreciation: Typically, high cashflow and at the lower end of relative rent & value appreciation. Can try to reposition to Class B, but neighborhood may impede these efforts.
Vacancy Est: Historically 10%, but 15-20% should be used to also cover tenant nonpayment, eviction costs & damages.
Tenant Pool: majority will have FICO scores of 560-620 (approaching 22% probability of default), many blemishes, but should have no evictions in last 2 years. Verifying last 2 years of rental history very important! Also, focus on 2 years of job/income stability.

Class D Properties:
Cashflow vs Appreciation: Typically, all cashflow with little, maybe even negative, relative rent & value appreciation
Vacancy Est: 20%+ should be used to cover nonpayment, evictions & damages.
Tenant Pool: majority will have FICO scores under 560 (almost 30% probability of default), little to no good tradelines, lots of collections & chargeoffs, recent evictions. Verifying last 2 years of rental history and income extremely important to find the “best of the worst”.

Make sure you understand the Class of properties you are looking at and the corresponding results to expect.

Post: New Here Intro & Advice

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@Chanel Snerling not sure why you are so focused on building?

There is so much MORE work involved as opposed to buying a fixer-upper and rehabbing that!

Again, DM us if you'd like a more focused & faster/efficient chat:)