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All Forum Posts by: Maria Murphy

Maria Murphy has started 4 posts and replied 19 times.

Post: Buying investment properties in Valencia or Barcelona

Maria MurphyPosted
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  • Paris, France
  • Posts 19
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I am not sure why one would think there are no multifamily investment properties in Spain. There are plenty apartment buildings, the issue is finding them at the right price point - as in any hot market. 

Post: Develop, then sell and/or rent?

Maria MurphyPosted
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  • Paris, France
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About me, most of my assets are RE but in another market so I would be diversifying in that market.

Potential for appreciation is very uncertain: prices have risen a lot locally lately and are as high as they have ever been, and it’s unlikely higher prices would be affordable by locals. The rental market is strong due to students and digital nomads.

Managing a couple of tenants would not be too hard but managing a dozen, on the other hand, would be a nightmare.

I am a bit torn.

Post: Develop, then sell and/or rent?

Maria MurphyPosted
  • Developer
  • Paris, France
  • Posts 19
  • Votes 6

Hello,

Looking for experienced developers' opinions on a deal I'm about to make in Europe, just based on the numbers. I am about to pay the land cash 500K, then build 10 apartments for roughly 1.5M. I have 2 options:

- finance the construction pre-selling the apt, and take my profits (expected to be around 700K pre-tax); or

- finance the construction with a 6-7%/year loan (collateral = my house), keep the 10 units, and once the building is completed in 24 months, rent them for circa 180K/ year gross. Would cash-flow very little.

Obviously, a combination of the above is possible (pre-sell all but a few units, nullifying the profits, and therefore taxation).

My feeling is that the first option would allow me to use profits to build something bigger (e.g., acquire another plot). The second one to build a security net.

I've simplified the deal a lot but... am I missing out something obvious?

NB - I've done developments in other locations before.

Thnx,

Post: Investing in Spain: Good idea for non-residents(Americans)?

Maria MurphyPosted
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  • Paris, France
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  • Votes 6

The Valencian community, Sevilla and Malaga. But the prices have increased so much that I fail to see such opportunities.

Post: Buying NPLs - recos & resources?

Maria MurphyPosted
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  • Paris, France
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Quote from @Erwin Groenendijk:

@Maria Murphy yes correct, simply paying the debt in the owner's name to hacienda (tax office)/government first as part of the purchase at the notary and everything left to the seller.

Valencia has worked quite well for us the last years and compared to Barcelona/Madrid the m2 prices are a lot lower. Because of that the total project costs as well. 

Interesting. And how long on average would you say it took you to become the owner and take possession of the properties (to flip or rent them I suppose) from the moment you purchased the debt?

Post: Investing in Spain: Good idea for non-residents(Americans)?

Maria MurphyPosted
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  • Paris, France
  • Posts 19
  • Votes 6
Quote from @Mike Lambert:

@Basit Siddiqi

@Joaquin Camarasa

@Bruce Lynn

A few observations/opinions on the topics discussed from a resident of the 51th state of the US (Canada - LOL) and investing in Spain:

1. I think most successful investors would tell you that, while you need to take tax into account in your decisions, you shouldn't make a decision based on that alone. Also, don't forget that, if you pay taxes, it means you're making a profit.

2. Like most countries, Spain will tax you on your worldwide income if you're a resident, as does the US in most countries (so maybe it's not a bad thing that Canada isn't the 51st state - LOL again). Yes, Spain has a wealth tax but it's above €2 million taxable income and the rate is low so it's not going to kill you.

3. Along with Eritrea, the US is the sole country in the world that taxes its citizens on their worldwide income based on residency and citizenship. So, if you're a US citizen and you move to Spain, you'll have to pay taxes in both countries. Thankfully, you'll be able to get deductions based on the bilateral treaty for the avoidance of double taxation but that means that you'll always pay the maximum of the tax rates between the two countries for each category and some items might not be deductible.

4. Yes, Spain is one of the countries in which banks will lend to non-residents (they generally don't) but Spanish banks are much more conservative than US banks so it's more difficult to qualify, especially if you don't earn W2 income. Also, banks normally only lend for holiday homes, not for rental properties but a holiday home can mostly be a short-term rental or become one later.

5. This last bank limitation isn't a bad thing in my opinion because the long-term rental yields are low and what are you going to do if a tenant doesn't pay? Go to court in Spain as a foreign owner? I invest almost exclusively internationally but I would generally never invest in long-term rentals, unless the rentability is very high, which it almost never is.

6. The withholding tax (on gross income) a problem if you:

a) The wealth creation part of that real estate investing is capital appreciation, not cash flow. So, yes, you'll get a lower percentage of the cash flow (which isn't that high anyway for long-term rentals like pretty much anywhere in the world, including the US) but you'll get appreciation and loan amortization.

b) You successfully invest in STRs and make enough money that you don't care that much about the higher taxes.

To conclusion, as a foreigner investing in Spain, with a few exceptions of specialized niches, I focus on areas that have (high) capital appreciation and short-term rental potential.

Hope this helps.


Hi! And which areas (with capital appreciation and STR potential) are these?

Post: Buying NPLs - recos & resources?

Maria MurphyPosted
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  • Paris, France
  • Posts 19
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Right. So it may be the same thing you are describing in Valencia. Since you are buying directly from the banks (no intermediaries?), I suppose you buying the debt itself and try to obtain title to the property after following the judicial process, or not? How has it been working out for you? Could you often or always get title to the property or you get money back from the debtor/ a third party who wins the auction sometimes? 

Post: Buying NPLs - recos & resources?

Maria MurphyPosted
  • Developer
  • Paris, France
  • Posts 19
  • Votes 6

Where did you try to buy foreclosures? Have you tried judicial/non-judicial auctions? Subastas?

I don't think they're called differently. They are NPLs, REOs and CDRs (CESIÓN DE REMATE), depending.

If I may ask, which municipality used their priority right?

Post: Buying NPLs - recos & resources?

Maria MurphyPosted
  • Developer
  • Paris, France
  • Posts 19
  • Votes 6
Quote from @Erwin Groenendijk:

NPL as in non performing loans? Would that be contacting banks and requesting lists from them?

Right. Some brokers get them for you.

Post: Buying NPLs - recos & resources?

Maria MurphyPosted
  • Developer
  • Paris, France
  • Posts 19
  • Votes 6

I am sure, alas one cannot specialize in all markets:)