All Forum Posts by: Matt Selland

I dont have any intention of ever selling (although I know things can change). The problem I face is that I need the quiet title action before my Dad and Uncle can even sell it to me, so in effect they have to do the quiet title action. Of course I can just "do it" acting on their behalf but its a risk I dont want them to have to assume. My position is that if something happend and the previous owners were able to reclaim it while Dad and Uncle are still holding it (unlikely I know but devastating if it did happen) I would assume the loss and find a way to repay them, but I dont want it to come to that. Also to clarify, I'm not worried about attorney fees they are negliglbe at this point, my main concern is the risk of the previous owners successfully contesting a quiet title action and us losing the property. If I understand you correctly the only way that would happen is if the IRS did something procedurally wrong durring the sale. 

To the point of negotiating with previous owners, my assumption is that in order to avoid quiet title action I would need them to sign a quitclaim deed. In this case the long time owner is in his late 70s/early 80s, him and his son are both named on the IRS liens that were held agains the property. The father and son towards the end established a trust and named a third, non-relative man as the trustee. Given these three are all named in the abstract at the courthouse in one way or another would that mean I would need a quitclaim from all three? I know that is probably a question for an attorney but just curiuos if anyone has done it in this type of situation before.

Thanks for all the great responses guys, I have been searching for a long time for anybody who has actually been in a similar situation before. My attorney and I have tried 3 different title insureres locally and we have been in contact with an attorney in Sioux Falls who had a connection to a real estate agent who had helped get difficult properties insured before. Apparently he tried several things and none of them worked but he stopped responding to us after about two months so no explanaition per se from him. If anybody would be willing to share with me a title insurer who was willing to insure tax sale properties I would greatly apreciate it (could be through email if need to keep private).

As far as approaching the previous owners/trustees (the previous owner established a trust to try to hide the property from the IRS, trust was demonstrated to be a sham by IRS in their trial) one is in prison, another is just out of prison, and I think the third is on the way to prison. They contested the sale up to and on the day of the sale unsuccussfully, at this point approaching them is likely out of the question. 

Is it the case that I would have the option to drop a quiet title action if anybody tries to contest it? If so that would remove a great deal of risk from that option. My understanding is that if I iniated one they would have to be notified and if they contested I would have to defend my position in court, meaning if I lost I lose the property right then and there as well as my investment. 

I am currently trying to secure a loan that would not be attached to the property that would allow me to still buy it. Just today another option came up, the cheap FSA loan that I was approved for could be used to buy a different piece of property from my Dad and Uncle (they are partners) for which a title insurance policy could be issued. Using this option would result in them keeping the tax sale property as is and them selling another property to me. I'm not sure I'm ready to go that route yet but it is at least an option on the table. 

I purchased some farmland in SD at an IRS tax sale in January of 2021, the previous owners owed the IRS 1.8 million so the IRS siezed and sold 3 tracts of land in an attempt to collect their debt. The sale was hardly advertised at all just a small write up in the local paper about two weeks prior to the sale, I was interested and did as much research as I could, there was one other lien besides the IRS on the property which was manageable but my biggest problem was getting finacing arranged on such short notice. I have acces to beginning farmer loans through FSA which I had utilized in the past and intended to utilize here, however some time was needed to set one up. The bank I deal with made a short term loan to my Dad and my Uncle so they could purchase the property with the intent to sell it to me once I had financing arranged (typically takes 3-4 months with FSA). After the sale I applied for and was approved for the loan however we were of course unable to obtain title insurance. After settling the lien that we knew about and dealing with some issues of the IRS lien release and almost two years later we still cant get insurance. We have tried many different title insurance companies and they all tell us that the risk of the previous owner suing to reclaim the property is too high. I suspect a quiet title action is what's needed here but my attorney has advised against it as he beleives as do I that the previous owners will contest it as they are very litigous. I think the chances of them succesfully contesting a quiet title action is low however I don't really want to take the risk while my Dad and Uncle own the property, that is to say I would rather purchase it from them without title insurance and then attemp quiet title so they dont have to be involved. After the sale we were issued a quit claim deed by the IRS. I asked them for help with my issues getting title insurance, they did help some but apparently not enough. To make matters worse the FSA loan was approved with a rate of 1.5%, since then interest has quadrupled. I still have the FSA loan approval but they wont hold the funds forever and I am at a loss as of what to do. My current plan is to find a lender that will make me a laon without FSA to purchase the property from my Dad and Uncle and then worry about clearing up the title over time (this would mean paying current interest rates and giving up the 1.5% loan). Any input or advise to the situation would be greatly appreciated.