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All Forum Posts by: Mike Ipsen

Mike Ipsen has started 1 posts and replied 31 times.

Post: [Calc Review] Help me analyze this deal

Mike IpsenPosted
  • Everett, WA
  • Posts 32
  • Votes 8
Originally posted by @Brent Coombs:
Originally posted by @Mike Ipsen:
Originally posted by @Brent Coombs:

@Mike Ipsen, I would hope that your wholesaler would be finding deals that, even with their take, would be able to be bought by you for significant discounts off sold comparable prices (as opposed to a mere $4k you mentioned on this one). Otherwise, what use are wholesalers?

But yes, sound out any prospective PMs regarding the various street-by-street major differences in values / realistic tenant pool / rents! Take notes, and compare their verdicts against other research you're also doing independently (here on BP for example). All the best...

This particular one was not brought to me by the wholesaler. I have not made any offer on this place yet, so I can change anything I desire. Such as a much lower offer price. After doing some more research last night it looks like this place should fall more in the 40-50k range. Based on comp sales in the area.

So, you'd be paying with all your own cash, right? Or, is your Lender that good to you, that as well as giving you owner-occupier terms for an investment property, they'd also let you have such a microscopic sub-$50k mortgage? Good luck with that...

 Not sure what bank has done you wrong, but yes. It is a credit union and yes they agree to such terms and size of loan.

Post: [Calc Review] Help me analyze this deal

Mike IpsenPosted
  • Everett, WA
  • Posts 32
  • Votes 8
Originally posted by @Brent Coombs:

@Mike Ipsen, I would hope that your wholesaler would be finding deals that, even with their take, would be able to be bought by you for significant discounts off sold comparable prices (as opposed to a mere $4k you mentioned on this one). Otherwise, what use are wholesalers?

But yes, sound out any prospective PMs regarding the various street-by-street major differences in values / realistic tenant pool / rents! Take notes, and compare their verdicts against other research you're also doing independently (here on BP for example). All the best...

This particular one was not brought to me by the wholesaler. I have not made any offer on this place yet, so I can change anything I desire. Such as a much lower offer price. After doing some more research last night it looks like this place should fall more in the 40-50k range. Based on comp sales in the area.

Post: [Calc Review] Help me analyze this deal

Mike IpsenPosted
  • Everett, WA
  • Posts 32
  • Votes 8
Originally posted by @Amit G.:

@Mike Ipsen I would bump the Cap expenses to 10% and vacancy to at least a decent 8%.  I also see that you have not accounted for Trash and Sewer.  How about water, electric, gas etc.? Does it mean tenant is responsible for all utilities? 

I don't see it as a deal specially with IRR of a mere 6% with numbers you have.

Yes, this mock up was with the intent of the tenant paying for all of that. Is that nor normal for your rentals? It was for mine previously.

Post: [Calc Review] Help me analyze this deal

Mike IpsenPosted
  • Everett, WA
  • Posts 32
  • Votes 8
Originally posted by @Brent Coombs:
Originally posted by @Mike Ipsen:
Originally posted by @Brent Coombs:

@Mike Ipsen, were those pro forma numbers provided to you, or, did you enter your own guesses? If the former, it's very naughty of them to let you think that you'd be able to get good (owner-occupier) 30 year terms, if you're a pure investor!

On the other hand, if you already know from your Lender that you would be able to get those terms, then kudos. [But that still doesn't make it a "deal", because you've already admitted that you'd be paying full market value. ie. Deals like that a "dime a dozen"].

I'm guessing that you haven't locked in a Lender for those terms, so you might as well know that some of those other figures might not be conservative enough either. 

[eg. See how your cash flow lands when you put 10% for Property Management; 10% for maintenance; 8% for vacancy - and I could probably go on...]

I was very clear with my lender, whom I have worked with for decades, that this was an investment property that I would not live in. So I would not expect those numbers to change. I never said I was paying full market value. The price in the calc is actually 4k below market value, but I would not start my offer that high as that leave no room for negotiation. The higher PM and maint number may make me rework things a bit, but still not a bad deal, right? 

The thing that makes or breaks non-local investments is: which Property Manager you select!

Get a good one, and those average returns will just keep on keeping on, year after year. But get a not-as-good/lax one, and it could quickly become a nightmare, from start to finish! 

I suggest: spend more time finding that Property Manager first, who will give you the truth about your ideas, before buying! Cheers...

Alright, I will get a move on with the PM side. I have connected with a BP member that is a wholesaler in Harrisburg. She mentioned there is a good PM in the area, I just need to get the name. :-) I guess a PM would be able to give me feedback about specific areas too. 

Thanks!

Post: [Calc Review] Help me analyze this deal

Mike IpsenPosted
  • Everett, WA
  • Posts 32
  • Votes 8
Originally posted by @Brent Coombs:

@Mike Ipsen, were those pro forma numbers provided to you, or, did you enter your own guesses? If the former, it's very naughty of them to let you think that you'd be able to get good (owner-occupier) 30 year terms, if you're a pure investor!

On the other hand, if you already know from your Lender that you would be able to get those terms, then kudos. [But that still doesn't make it a "deal", because you've already admitted that you'd be paying full market value. ie. Deals like that a "dime a dozen"].

I'm guessing that you haven't locked in a Lender for those terms, so you might as well know that some of those other figures might not be conservative enough either. 

[eg. See how your cash flow lands when you put 10% for Property Management; 10% for maintenance; 8% for vacancy - and I could probably go on...]

I was very clear with my lender, whom I have worked with for decades, that this was an investment property that I would not live in. So I would not expect those numbers to change. I never said I was paying full market value. The price in the calc is actually 4k below market value, but I would not start my offer that high as that leave no room for negotiation. The higher PM and maint number may make me rework things a bit, but still not a bad deal, right? 

Post: [Calc Review] Help me analyze this deal

Mike IpsenPosted
  • Everett, WA
  • Posts 32
  • Votes 8

I do plan on visiting the area, but nobody can get a feel for entire neighborhood from just one visit. So to combat that weakness I plan on asking people in the are, like yourselves, for opinions on the area. I do have some contact I am building in Harrisburg, but the team is not in place yet. After looking at the tax records I figure I can probably ask $60k for it. The comments are leading toward owner financing, which is fine. I am working my numbers off my local bank numbers though. I called them today and they can do lending for homes in PA.

If I was local I might do work myself, but my goal is to be detached from the property. I do not want to be a landlord, I want to be an owner with teams in place to manage everything. Good tip on raising the CapEx, I will rerun it with the higher percentage.

For now I use google earth to "fly" through a neighborhood. Some things are clear indicators of a bad neighborhood. This one does not look bad, well maintained yard and homes for the most part. Some other cheap ones it was clear were a no-go due to car husks in the street and many boarded up homes.

I appreciate the feedback, keep it coming. :-)

Post: [Calc Review] Help me analyze this deal

Mike IpsenPosted
  • Everett, WA
  • Posts 32
  • Votes 8

View report

Looking for my first properties. Value has drawn me to Harrisburg, PA. What am I missing on this one? No kid gloves required, please pick it apart. 

Post: Just bought my first flip, check out this mess!

Mike IpsenPosted
  • Everett, WA
  • Posts 32
  • Votes 8

Dumpster time, the bomb shelter is interesting. You should give us a tour of that too. :-)

Post: Which tenant would you choose?

Mike IpsenPosted
  • Everett, WA
  • Posts 32
  • Votes 8

#2 would be my choice for a couple of reasons.

1. They are already paying nearly the same amount in rent. Going from $500 to $1200 would be painful for #1 and could make them not be able to pay.

2. The collections were rather small and everything else was paid on time for 2 years. The amount of open credit lines can mean they do not manage money well. I was the same way at that age, but rent was always the first thing to get paid. Everything else can wait, you have to have a place to live. :-)

Post: Habitat for humanity question

Mike IpsenPosted
  • Everett, WA
  • Posts 32
  • Votes 8

I know this is an older post, but I thought I would reply. The homes that Habitat builds are nice. So the values/rents in the area should go up. Also the Habitat homes create a bit of stability for the area since they are not going to be moving out any time soon. Full disclosure, I am on the Board of Directors for Habitat for Humanity of Snohomish County, in Washington State.