Originally posted by J Scott:
Originally posted by Randy F.:
I took Hunters Safety when I was fourteen. What I learned there was engrained in me and I have never forgotten.
I took English Lit when I was fourteen. I don't remember a thing.
I dont doubt that.
Originally posted by J Scott:
Originally posted by Randy F.:
Millions of people have taken gun safety courses as kids and I have to believe it has stuck with them as well.
Most 14 year olds took algebra, but 95% of the adults I know aren't very proficient at algebra.
Again, I dont doubt that.
Originally posted by J Scott:
Originally posted by Randy F.:
Would you tell us that we can only posess our guns on our own property?
It's not up to me. But, if it were, I'd tell you to take another class and a test if you wanted to carry in public. If you're not willing to take a class and a test, it must not be that important to you (at least that's my take).
Personally, I dont have a big problem taking a course. I do have a problem with the Feds feeling the political need to tell me, as an Alaskan, that I need more than my state requires of me to conceal carry. States have different requirements for conceal carry permits and some require no permit. I get it that training and testing would give you a warm and fuzzy, but what is your concern based on. Have you seen data that shows there are a significant number of accidental shootings or murders that are tied to conceal carry? Of course, those who commit murder with guns likely concealed them, but its quite obvious that they were already "proficient".
Im not sure how we got on subject of training and testing. I respect your opinion and if the law required, I would do it so that in the cases I choose to carry I could do so legally. My problem with the whole issue is with the political class and their need to justify their existence thru over-regulation. They cant pass a damn budget nor work within one, but they have all the time in the world to craft bills that dont even come close to addressing the real problems. It is based 100% on political ideology. [/ quote]
Originally posted by J Scott:
Originally posted by Randy F.:
Should we be required to spend our time and money on some newly required training and testing?
Yes, just like you need to spend your time and money to learn to drive, learn to be a real estate agent, learn to fly an airplane, etc.
You're correct, I might forget not to point my guns at people, whether loaded or not. Or I might forget that my guns need to be secure when kids are in my house. Or I might forget to carry revolver on an empty cylinder. Im sure the federal government can test the stupid out of me.
Originally posted by J Scott:
Originally posted by Randy F.:
New gun laws and regulations that adversely effect millions of responsible gun owners because of the actions of a few, is simply more unnecessary and ineffectual governmental intrusion into our lives.
I don't care if they're responsible gun owners. I want them to be proficient gun owners, and there is no way to know that without proficiency testing. 50,000 guns are stolen every year, and I'd be willing to bet many of them are used to commit crimes. In my opinion, if you let your gun get stolen, you're not a responsible gun owner. That's a lot of not-responsible gun owners out there.
im not sure what being proficient with a gun and having it stolen have to do with each other, but I dont disagree that many who have them stolen are not responsible gun owners.
Originally posted by J Scott:
Originally posted by Randy F.:
Carrying a gun into the Alaskan bush is no guarantee against being mauled by a bear, but the loss of the ability to legally do so would cost lives. The 44 I carry while bow hunting may not stop a charging brown bear but i should be able to legally carry it for the peace of mind it gives me.
I agree you should be able to carry it. Have I said otherwise? Just like you should be able to jump in your car and drive away if attacked by a bear. But in both situations -- carrying the gun and driving the car -- you should have to be trained and tested.
I don't see you arguing about having to take a test to drive a car. How is that different?
I grew up at a place and time where the vast majority of kids had fathers in the home and a huge number of them hunted. Our dads taught us the proper handling of firearms and we were required to take hunters safety if we wanted to hunt before the age of eighteen. It was a huge deal and we took it very seriously. Much more seriously than algebra, by the way. Times have changed and I do think it would be wise to require first time gun purchasers to have gone thru a training program as so many either grow up in the cities or without a parent to teach them. But I stand by my belief that redundancy in training is unnecessary.
Originally posted by J Scott:
Originally posted by Randy F.:
A large group of black teens routinely threw rocks at us as we entered and left one particular area. I was carrying back then and for the same reason i carry in the bush...
You carry in the Bush for the same reason? You get rocks thrown at you by black teens in the Bush?!?! (sorry, couldn't resist :)
No, that is not what I said. I said I carried when working in the core for the same reason i carry in the bush... Because of the potential for being attacked. But Im happy you were amused anyway!
Originally posted by J Scott:
Originally posted by Randy F.:
Peace of mind that if I was attacked, I at least had the oportunity to protect myself. Whether or not I should have been there in the first place is beside the point. In a free country, we should be able to go anywhere we want, and to feel safe doing so.
I agree completely. You have a right to go wherever you want and you have a right to protect yourself. I believe I have a right to know that if you're around me, you're well trained with your deadly weapon. If I found out you were driving your car untrained and without a license (that you needed to pass a test to get), I'd be concerned about that as well.
What's the difference?
Im more concerned about those who did pass their driving test and have a license. You know.... The ones who act like they are the only ones who have a right to be in the road, and the ones who drink and drive, and the ones who apply make-up, text, and breast feed while driving. At least those without a license tend to drive cautiously so as not to get busted!