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All Forum Posts by: Dean I.

Dean I. has started 18 posts and replied 118 times.

Post: Need direction - Want to start flipping

Dean I.Posted
  • Tucson, AZ
  • Posts 120
  • Votes 127

Financing:

If you can avoid using hard money, I would suggest it. The problem with hard money is that there is a lot more risk involved because of the higher costs and because you will have to do more vetting in order to avoid scammers.

Even with no funds, you have other options. Some are better than others. If you have a good income and good credit, you can actually fund your down payments with credit lines or even credit cards. Obviously, you will get a better rate with a credit line. With that being said, most banks will not allow you to use a credit line for the down payment, if you are also using that same bank to fund the purchase and repair costs. For those banks who will allow you to use a credit line from another bank, they will that into account and use it against your debt to income ratio. 

Depending on what you can get approved for on a credit line will largely determine your price point for your first flip. If you can get approved for a 20k credit line, then you can feasibly purchase a home at 70k at 20% down, leaving you some money left over for carrying costs. 

Smaller banks are funding rehab loans at 80% of the total purchase and repair cost with 20% down. Some banks will require you to pull the repair money in draws contingent upon inspection and others will simply give you the money. The only downside to this is that it can take a few days for the inspection each time you need to make a draw. Most of these loans will be short term 12 to 24 month, interest only loans, so the carrying costs are not too bad. Make sure you get a good faith estimate on all loan fees and make sure there are not any prepayment penalties  --although there shouldn't be as the banks expect you to purchase and sell the house as quickly as possible.

The Numbers:

Depending on your price point, the 70% rule is a good starting point for determining if a possible flip is worth looking at. There are tons of articles on this rule, so I wont go into too much detail, but basically the 70% accounts for the purchase price and cost of repairs, while the 30% accounts for closing costs, carrying costs, commission, etc. (about 10%) and Profit (about 20%). With that being said, you will have to adjust this rule (maybe to 60-65%) if you are going to use hard money or be willing to accept less profit.

Contractors: 

1. Find a contractor that specifically works with investors on flips. These contractors understand the importance of budget and time and the balance between quality and quantity and will price accordingly. In fact, you should get more favorable prices with these contractors, vs those who are used to doing high end specialty work for the average consumer.

2. Network with investors in your area and find out which contractors they are using and which ones they avoid.

Business:

As a personal note, I don't know what your plans are for your business, but don't let it go. You will need that income (and proof of income) for at least a year or two until you have a proven track record and a new income to replace the old income if you want to get the most favorable rates and conditions on loans. I say this, because it is easy to get distracted and let your business go when you are trying to pursue other businesses. 

Education: 

READ, READ, READ AND READ. Seriously, get your hands on every book you can on business and real estate. Get Audio books if you don't have time to read. Always be investing into your education. 

@Doran Summers

@Jonathan J. Miller

Sorry guys, I had responded and I forgot to tag you.

Most of the homes I have been looking at are REOs in the 50k to 70k range. Most comp out around 115k to 130k. Rehab costs can't be any more than 20k to 25k, even less if I have to use hard money.

So, if we are going by 70% of the ARV, then 80k to 90k for the loan. With a 17k credit line (not counting the one I hope to get next week) I can afford a down payment of 10% to 15% (12k to 15k) and still have a little left over for carrying costs.

Sorry, I should have specified. Right now, I am looking to start flipping houses.

Thank you all for your suggestions and recommendations. I am also looking for portfolio lenders in my area as well. I would really like to avoid hard money as it really eats into your profits, but at the same time, some of the rehab loans that are available through banks like Wells Fargo take 45-60 days to go through and that is just too long. If you all have suggestions for portfolio lenders in my area that you have dealt with, that would also be appreciated. 

I should probably also mention that I have a good income, good credit (768 FICO) and a 17k credit line to cover a down payment and or some carrying costs. I am also looking at getting another credit line from a different bank who is confident that they can get me around 20k. So I welcome any other suggestions you guys may have.

Hey Guys, I was hoping to get some personal recommendations for hard money lenders in my area. I know some MHL support several areas, so to make it easier, I have listed the ones on BP that I know support my area. Obviously, any recommendations outside of this list would be welcomed as well.


Rehab Financial Group

DoHardMoney.com

GROUNDFLOOR

BridgeWell Capital

RealtyShares

LendingOne

Any recommendations and advice is greatly appreciated. Thanks.

Hey guys, thank you for the warm welcome. 

@Patrick Madigan

This is definitely something I have been doing a lot of over the last few weeks. So far I have read (actually listened to) The Real Estate Rehab Investing Bible by Paul Esajian, Find it, Fix, Flip it by Michael Corbett (actually read), and I am in the process of reading J Scotts books now. I am also taking breaks here and there and reading through the forum an blogs. I don't make it up to Raleigh too often, but when I do, lunch is on me!

@Dakota Regis

Thank you for your recommendation and thank you so much more for your service to our country.

Well, turned may not be the right word. The fact is, I have owned and run a few different businesses, some more successful than others and I am now ready to start real estate investing. Currently I own two small stores which supplies me with a consistent income. For the most part, the business runs itself, allowing me to dedicate the time that is necessary to study, search for and invest in real estate. I also have my real estate license, but it is not active and I have never used it. The fact is, while I am a salesmen at heart, I have never had any interested in being a real estate agent/broker, I only got my license so I could get involved in real estate and learn the business.

My current plan is to initially start flipping houses. I don't plan on drawing a check from the business for a while. Instead, I will reuse those profits to continue financing more and better flips. Eventually once I have a pretty consistent cash flow coming in, I will begin to invest in some rental properties.

I do not know everything about real estate and I wont pretend that I do either, however, I do have some business knowledge and I plan on treating this like a business. I believe that with my past experience and with the help of this forum, I will do well in this new venture. 

I recently came from another business forum (specifically related to my business field) and was a pretty heavy contributor. Though I am obviously new to this forum, I hope to one day be a valuable contributor to this forum. And while I may not have any real estate experience, hopefully I can use some of my business experience to contribute and give back to this forum while I am learning this new business.

Based out of Jacksonville, NC.