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All Forum Posts by: Ray Bontrager

Ray Bontrager has started 1 posts and replied 4 times.

Quote from @Doug Smith:

Not exactly. Few hard money loans have prepayment penalties (some do, but not most). in this instance, you pay interest on an annualized basis at the interest rate of 12% (or it could be another rate). In this case, let's say you have a blance of $100K at 12% interest. Let's say you have the loan open for 4 months. Monthly that's ($100K * 12%)/12 = $1000/mo in interest. If you have it open for 4 months, that's $4K interest. Points or an Origination Fee is fully earned when the loan is signed. For a $100K loan with 2.5% Points, that's a $2500 fee up front. usually, they will fund $97,500 and keep the $2500. In this case, you're paying the $2500 + $4000 in interest. Does that make sense?

Thanks. That makes a lot more sense. I was looking at it as a 12% interest for the loan without an annualized basis but the annualized part makes sense now. So the quicker I get the money back to the lender the less interest I will be paying.


Quote from @Doug Smith:

I know these numbers will be odd, but go with it. It makes the math easy in our heads. Let's say that you find a run down place you can get for $70K and you need to put $30K into it (total of $100K). Let's also say you're approved for 85% at 12% interest and 2.5% points/origination fee. You'll usually bring your 15%, or $15K in this case to the table and the lender funds the other $55K and they will have the other $30K available for you to take in a series of draws. You do some work, then call them for a draw. They send out someone to make sure you're actually doing it. Once that happens, they wire the $ to you. You usually pay interest-only on what you've drawn on a monthly basis. Different lenders treat this differently. Once you get the C/O, you either sell it or refinance it into a longer-term facility like a DSCR loan. Does that help you? Please ask your questions and we'll clarify.

So just to make sure I have this right. In the end the lender gets and keeps the 12% and the 2.5% origination fee for a total of 14.5%. Right?

Thank you so much for all the clarification here. The downpayment part makes sense now. Simply the amount that the lender is not paying. Heres my deal. 130k purchase price, 40k rehab, 215k ARV. So if I pay 15 percent down I would pay 19,500 and the lender would pay $110,500 to close. Then he would charge a monthly interest until the property is sold correct? What about the appr. 10% that I keep hearing hard money lenders charge? Is that 10% the interest I am paying monthly. Thanks again for your help. I know this is basic stuff but when I get to actually doing it the first time and talking with so many lenders it gets confusing when I dont fully understand all the terms. Also I have an LLC filed but one lender said I also need Builders Risk Insurance. Is this typical of most lenders and is there anything else I should get in line.

Hi, I am looking to close my second deal but need looking to use private or hard money. I don't have any good private money connections yet so have been checking into hard money. I talked with several lenders and trying to understand the number system. So if I get a hard money loan for 100k and pay 15% down, does that money that I paid down go towards that 100k when I pay back or not. And if they have, say, 10% interest. Does that have to be payed back on top of the 100k and downpayment?

Thanks for any help in understanding this.