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All Forum Posts by: Brian Gibbons

Brian Gibbons has started 114 posts and replied 4413 times.

Post: Newbie--->My first REO deal : What would you do with it?

Brian Gibbons#5 Guru, Book, & Course Reviews ContributorPosted
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Sergio B.

[Knowing market rents is key.
A Market Rent Analysis is invaluable.

See a leasing agent and ask questions about the area. Bring a map. Use other people's knowledge.

Post: aligning incentives- How to structure a flip team

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Hi Brett Kennedy

"If you do not sell/perform you do not eat."

You sell, he performs GC work.

He (GC) avoids spending time and money to find/market and negotiate with owners. He gets steady work.

You get dependable GC work. You still have to "inspect what you expect".

Ever think of a Joint Venture Agreement? I hate formal partnerships or IRS Employees w-2, think HEALTH INSURANCE!).

An idea....A new LLC and a performance based Operating Agreement might work well. Like a situational bonus structure.
"If this happens, then this bonus happens".

Just brain storming here.

Best of luck!

Brian

Post: Wholesaling Lease Options

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Originally posted by Larry N.:
Hi Brian,

Thanks for your response. I've seen many different ways to do this process which can be confusing for the newbie. Your information is very helpful!

I've heard a Letter of Intent is not legally binding because you have no equitable interest.

What is the difference between the 'Flex Option', Letter of Intent or Option to Lease Option?

How do you determine which one to use to gain control of the property?

Thanks!
Larry

The flow goes from
1. LOI to my lawyer
2. Lawyer creates from the LOI a Lease and an Option from me to seller (lawyer closes it with signatures on Docusign)
3. Now I have a legal interest in the property with a signed lease and a signed option.

A flex option is option to lease option or an option to buy on CFD or by on a Wrap - AITD within a period of time.

Option to Lease Option is just that.

Hope that helps!

Brian

Post: Wholesaling Lease Options

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Originally posted by Larry N.:
Lot's of Great info here! Hey I have a question and wondered how this process works with wholesaling lease options...

So after the Investor and Seller sign the option to lease option agreement, then you find the qualified T/B....

next the T/B goes down to the title escrow company to sign the assignment agreement with the Investor assigning the option to lease option "rights" to the T/B...

next the T/B signs the lease agreement and option to purchase agreement between the T/B and Seller...

next the T/B delivers check to escrow company for assignment fee and 1st months rent...

then the Investor gets paid by the title escrow company and out of the picture

Is this correct?? Thanks

Hi Larry N.

This is the way I do it.
1. I have the seller sign a Letter of intent to Lease and To Option

The letter of Intent covers...
Address, Rental Term, Renal Payment per month, Security Deposit, Possession Date, Option Sales Price (could new appraisal), Option Money (usually 3% or $5K min), Representations, Warranties, Covenants, and Indemnification, Legal Effect, Notice of Intent to Assign,
Option Period (45 - 60 days)

I have them sign the letter of intent (LOI), it goes to my attorney, and the attorney prepares the paperwork.

There is an option release disclosure document that discusses that the buyer will be responsible for the following fee’s to be paid out of escrow at closing, which are for the release of the recorded notice of option, the assignment of negotiated purchase price, and the negotiated rent.

2. My lawyer then drafts all the paperwork, seller signs, and the buyer signs, using docusign over the net.

I hope that helps!

Brian

Post: Josh Cantwell Middle Man Income system

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Originally posted by David Doyle:
Thats a great point Wayne as a practical matter I dont think any practical investor would consider making any Lease Option Deal in anything but a Rising Market.I hear some noises that things are slowing turning around in S calif .I'll believe it when I see it.

Im I wrong in saying it would be crazy to do Lease Option/Sandwich Lease in a Declining Market,,,??

Please chime in guys,,,,,

Dave Doyle

In Los Angeles, there are pockets of stable, increasing and decreasing home values. REOs and Short Sales decrease values.

The sand states of FL, AZ, NV and CA all suffer declining home values the most.

But in the best school districts home values lose LESS of their value because families want to be there.

As far as the best places to own a home now http://www.forbes.com/pictures/mhj45hlfg/10-st-louis-mo/ reports 10 cities that are great to buy. Jobs, expenses to live, crime, housing affordability all come into play.

And @DavidDoyle, there is a reason why the outflow population of Los Angeles are leaving - taxes! And moving to states like Texas!

In the LOA business, where the house is matters alot, especially in the sand states.

For that matter, it matters what kind of loans are in place (no ARMS, fixed rate only).

Post: Josh Cantwell Middle Man Income system

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Jason A. Mortgage Origination and assisting a tenant buyer in qualifying for a home loan is IMHO mandatory for success in LOAs.

A skilled FICO Coach will go over issues as:

-Debt to Income
-Bankruptcies? (If so, there are certain time restrictions that have to be overcome.)
-Foreclosure? (Again, certain time restrictions are set forth by the lenders.)
-Tax Lien? (Normally must be paid for finance.)
-Scores (Although other items are important, most lease option specialists are looking for applicants that are no more than 60 points away from FHA finance.)
-Judgement? (Must be resolved for most lenders.)

This business is understanding today's everchanging credit qualifying situations.

Post: Josh Cantwell Middle Man Income system

Brian Gibbons#5 Guru, Book, & Course Reviews ContributorPosted
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David Doyle and Jason A. I agree in California it is a puzzle to lease option and then assign the deal. I know throughout the process you think,
What if this happens?
What if that happens?

I ask you,

[b]Can you do any of the following in California, with a DRE CA Lic?

-Lease as a principle and assign?
-Option as a principle and assign?
-Lease Purchase as a principle and Assign?
-Sub2 as a principle and Assign?
-Wrap AITD as a principle and assign?
-Mirror Wrap AITD?
-Contract for Sale (like a CFD) as a principle and assign?[/b]

I think the right RE Attorney in your corner with the right language in your agreements will serve you well, especially an attorney that knows the DRE regulations.

I am not an attorney.
But I have used a CFO (Contract for Option to Purchase) for many years.

I wrote about the CFO here http://www.biggerpockets.com/blogs/3/blog_posts/25788-cfo-and-a-lease

RE: The CFO -
The key to this is you use
- a lease and
- a contract for option to purchase

It is a landlord tenant relationship with the lease
You have to finish the lease as a condition for the CFO.
The Option is drawn ahead of time and held in escrow for the buyer, and the buyer has a short time to get the mortgage.
The Option is not in the possession of the end buyer until the lease is finished (addresses the equitable interest issue).

Conclusion:
If you are Licensed in California:
Do not close LO assignments on the kitchen table with no witnesses or notary.
Realize that the courts will always side with the inexperienced Seller or TBer and not you the REI
Do close these in the Attorney's office in California with all the disclosures and releases of liability.

There are alot of lawsuits in California.

(As William Shakespeare said, 'The first thing we do, let's kill all the lawyers)

And, again, do not do LOAs in California if you are not comfortable with the risk and have an Attorney to close sellers and tenant buyers.

BTW If you are a Licensed Agent, you can charge a fee to bring people together (act agent for) and assist in a Lease Purchase transaction, can you not? Like a Marketing Coach to find sellers and find tenant buyers? Perhaps that is an avenue for you to pursue. And not do assignments. Be a coach. Or sell information on how to do it themselves.

Best of luck to you both.

FYI, there are millions of houses that have no equity in Los Angeles. They do not have to be upside down, just 10% or less equity, thin deals from WE BUY HOUSES guys.

Home Sellers need good solutions to sell on terms.

Home Buyers need lease option financing now.

INMO, even if there is risk for the Owner that the TBer will not get financing soon, at least their PITI Payment will get paid (or most of it) and they will avoid a distressed sale.

Is this better than the Seller renting to an unproven tenant and feeding the difference of rent - property manager fees and - maintenance?
Is this better than the Seller paying from savings to get rid of a house that has no equity or little equity or a small negative equity?

I think so.

Up to you to decide.

Brian

Post: How would you pitch this owner finance deal?

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Originally posted by Nick Hulsebos:
Mark here is a different twist to consider. It is owned free and clear and he is used to it being a rental. So agree on a purchase price. Then offer a lease purchase arrangement, but the terms are to be set on the existing un- paid mortgage balance. Say the seller carries a twenty year note (minimizing his tax consequences), as the mortgage gets paid down your equity position increases, plus any appreciation also works to your advantage. You can exercise your right at any time during the next twenty years. Also include a clause that allows you the right to sub lease, having someone else paying for your house. Your option amount should be $100. (Which can be put in a Roth if you don’t have any intentions of occupying it.) Either way you have the option to own but not the obligation, You’re in for only one hundred dollars and your rent is the same for the next twenty years. Plus you can increase the rent to positive cash flow it.

I like Mark's thought here. Control it instead of own it, exercise price = loan balance. What if the property does not appreciate? Do you have a stop loss? You could have a "either or" exercise price, with a minimum profit. Sandwiches are fun as long as you have a clause that it is a "performance based" arrangement; if the Tenant Buyer does not pay you the REI, you do not have to pay the Seller-Owner-Lessor.

You could do a 2 note arrangement if the seller wanted to carry 80%, but you need 20% down in cash. I know you want 10%. Seller could then sell a partial of the 1st. See http://noteinvestor.com/notes-101/what-is-a-partial-note-purchase/ Note buyers want a big down payment (skin in the game).

I don't like owning right now, I like lease option assignments and sandwiches. Just my HO.

Brian

Post: Investing in Mobile Homes after June 1 HUD Safe Act

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Ivan Alfaro Lonnie deals (mobile home investing) is alot different now. http://www.manufacturedhousing.org/webdocs/dodd-frankarticle-final.pdf

You may want to book mark http://www.manufacturedhousing.org/sitemap/default.asp

Best of luck!

Brian

Post: Lease Option Assignment (LOA)? What? How? Can I? :)

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Originally posted by Nichole Gabriel:
Thank you so much Brian Gibbons! The talk was phenomenal! Thank you for so freely sharing your expertise! I'd have probably been willing to pay for that information, so it is seriously appreciated! I learned a TON! I tell ya, Biggerpockets has got the best people on earth as part of their community!! :D

Thanks again!
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Nicole, once you get started I know you will do really well! It was great fun yo talk to you!

Best Wishes

Brian