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All Forum Posts by: Rhondalette W.

Rhondalette W. has started 20 posts and replied 352 times.

Originally posted by @Garrett Pearson:

@Rhondalette W. I couldn't help but laugh, because if you are like most especially though that are true to the call that Social Work field will kick in every time whether you want it to or not. You seem to allow you to be bit flexible without making you too soft. You are definitely in a great field which should keep you balanced in this sort of work. I wish you all the best.

The truth is it sounds like he lost the most in this case. You are most likely a much better manager than he is tenant especially if he is seemingly dancing around this whole eviction thing. I don't know about him but there is no way that I would wal with a 7 year old bankruptcy that don't belong to him and has not fought like h×_' to get off his credit report (I can almost smell that all the way over here (LOL) It sounds like you were more than fair and I applaud you on how you handled it.

 Garrett, thank you for your kind words. Strangely enough, I find this (tenant selection) to be the most challenging part of investing so far. It was easier to find the deal, secure the financing, close the deal, work with contractors on repairs etc. Luckily, I think that I have found my new tenants. I had a family submit an application today, they made it through the credit, criminal and eviction screenings just fine. Now, I need to verify employment, and references including current landlord ref. Hopefully, this "difficult" step in the process is almost complete. Having the help of experienced Landlords here at BiggerPocket has made the process less daunting and almost fun ; ) 

Originally posted by @Stephanie Fernandez:

I think we should also take into consideration that 2008 was the biggest decline of our economy since the great depression, and the middle class was being laid off left and right. Are things like that being taken into consideration or are people passed up all together?

 Hey Stephanie, that is a very good question. It seems to me that I received polar opposite responses from the experienced investors, some say they would not care about the tenant's situation, they would reject strictly based on their business criteria and others seem to be more lenient and would make decisions on a case-by-case basis looking at the tenant's situation at the time of the eviction coupled with the tenants current or most recent years performance. I think the Landlords who choose to listen to the tenant's story and make a decision would consider 2008 as a difficult economic time. However, for this particular situation, my prospective tenant would not share with me hardships from 2008 when I offered an opportunity for him to explain the eviction. Instead he just simply denied having any evictions and then threw in the towel, stating that he would just remain in his current rental. I gather that you would be one of the Landlords who would make the decision on a case-by-case basis.

Originally posted by @Rick Bassett:

We will take people with bankruptcies if they have a clean credit report for the past 2 years. 

We will people with foreclosures that went a short period of time (6 - 9 months) if they have a clean credit report for the past 2 years.

We will never take tenants with any evictions or if they ever forced a prolonged foreclosure as 1) They have tasted what it is like to live rent/mortgage free and they just might like the taste of that  2) They probably know all of the loopholes and stall tactics in the book as well as every obscure right they have.

Pass on them.

 Rick thank you for sharing your policies on bankruptcies and foreclosures and stating that  you focus mainly on the last two years. All of the comments from experienced investors are helping me clarify my new business policies and standards. I agree with you that some "professional" tenants know all of the loopholes. I have interviewed a few who gave me stories about how their past rentals had mold, fires, floods so these where reasons they did not pay or broke leases etc. They were way too savvy for me (a newbie).   

Originally posted by @J Scott:

I haven't read the other responses yet, so I apologize if I'm repeating someone else's response...

My view on this is that there are two types of people out there:

1.  Those who consider having a roof over their and their family's head as the single most important thing in their financial life.  

2.  Those who don't.

For those in Group #1, the rent will always get paid, other than in catastrophic circumstances.  For those in Group #2, the rent may or may not get paid before the cable bill.

I like to rent to those in Group #1.  If I see someone with an eviction on their report, I assume they're in Group #2.  And I don't rent to them.

Draconian?  Perhaps.  But, it works for me...

 J Scott, I like your theory on the two types of tenants. I would like to rent to Group #1 as well. Thank you for this insight. 

Originally posted by @Steve Babiak:

Adding this link to discuss eviction record verification:

http://www.biggerpockets.com/forums/52/topics/7908...

 Thank you for directing me to this link discussion. You rock!

Originally posted by @Rhondalette W.:

@Steve Babiak @Account Closed

Let me personally say thank you to all of you who told me to be patient and pass on the tenant with an eviction on his record. I am happy to report that I showed the property to two more families today and one of them has already submitted an application. This family consist of an elderly parent age 78 and her daughter age 41 (who will be taking care of her) and her teenage son age 18 who will be graduating from high school on Tuesday and going to college. I am happy to report that they have NO EVICTIONS, no bankruptcies, okay credit scores, no criminal records, no smoking, no pets.They actually meet all of my criteria. I am so excited! I am glad that I did not select the tenant with an eviction. You all may have saved me a lot of money and headaches. Thank you!

Originally posted by @Michael Noto:

How is the applicants credit and income?  If it is anything less than stellar AND they have an eviction, why take that risk?

What kind of area in the apartment/house in?  If it is in a good area that attracts a better quality of tenant than I would recommend being patient.  I have never regretted being patient when filling a vacant unit.

I understand being patient is easier said than done when you are staring at a vacancy which is the same reason why a lot of landlords compromise their standards and end up with problem tenants.

 Thank you Michael for recommending that I be patient and not rush into accepting a tenant that does not meet all of my standards. I am happy to report that I showed the property to two more families today and one of them has already submitted an application. This family consist of an elderly parent age 78 and her daughter age 41 who will be taking care of her and her teenage son age 18. I am happy to report that they have NO EVICTIONS, no bankruptcies, okay credit scores, no criminal records, no smoking, no pets. I am so excited! I am glad that we did not select the tenant with an eviction.

Originally posted by @Garrett Pearson:

@Rhondalette W.

I know I am kind of late chiming in. Sorry for the lengthy reply but I thought sharing my story may give you a more broad outlook of an individual occurrence. Having had some years of property management experience, I've learned that you can't box up people and their credential. I do believe in setting standards but every situation is not going to fit in those small parameters. The best thing is to learn how to judge people's character and look at the individual situation. Things are not always what they seem.

If someone used bad judgment or fell on hard times 7 years ago, does his track for the last 7 years since that time stand for nought? 7 years ago, my credit was in shambles even though I made sure my rent was paid on time. Today my credit score is better than ever. I learned in the last 7 years how important it is to have good credit. I learned after being turned away or charged super high interest that I didn't want to live that way anymore. Everyone has a turning point. People and situations change.

This is the great example of what I endured with a false eviction. I pay my rent on time every month and have for many years. In my best efforts, I was screwed. I have a great example. I lived in a college town a few years back and found my roommate in a  looking for a roommate binder in the management office. I fulfilled my lease and when I was moving out, I asked Mgmt to take my name of since I wasn't renewing  but my roommate was. The manager said he only make changes to the leases if neither party renews, the original names and lease stays in tact.  Keep in mind while I was paying rent in DeKalb, IL; I moved to Atlanta and was paying two rents every month on time until my DeKalb lease was fulfilled. Fast forward a couple years later, when I applied to an apartment I was secretly told by the leasing agent that an eviction came back with my credit/background information( I did my due diligence and found out that my former roommate skipped.) Luckily, they approved my application with a slightly larger security deposit. She even sneaked and gave a copy so I could contact the Mgmt company. Long story short, after talking to the Mgmt company and their attorney the case was pulled at the courthouse and an entry was made in the record to strike my name as a defendant. I ran into this situation several times. For some reason unbeknownst me, this eviction filing still pulls up when Property Management companies pull my credit. I keep the court document with me in case there is future trouble. If the leasing agents hadn't told me what was going on and allow me to explain my situation, I would probably be living under a cardboard box. I thank God for the leasing agents that looked out for me and gave me an opportunity to defend the false evictions that should up on my background. No matter what I do I can't seem to get this information of my report because it doesn't show on any of the 3 major bureaus.

 Garrett, thank you for sharing your personal experience of an eviction on your record. First of all let me say that I am a Licensed Professional Counselor by profession so my first instinct is to want to hear the story behind the incident and to believe in the goodness of people. This is why I chose to ask them for a letter of explanation instead of immediately denying them. I know that people can change over the years and if they had had a story like yours I would certainly have listened and then made a decision based on the story. The problem with this particular couple is that when I asked for their explanation or story, all they could say was I was never evicted and we will stay where we currently are living instead of explaining. They decided not to be as transparent as you were with your experience. In essence they just threw in the towel instead of trying to explain and help me better understand the situation. So as you can see, I will struggle between being a "strictly business" type that rejects based on set criteria and the caring trained counselor I am. This couple just made it easier for me by backing out of the deal. 

Originally posted by @Marcia Maynard:
Originally posted by @Rhondalette W.:
Originally posted by @Steve Babiak:

You run background checks on all adults unless it is a pointless case (example of that is somebody who just moved to the  USA from another country and has SSN - so you could run a credit check with the SSN but it would show you nothing).

When you decline an applicant after having pulled a credit report, you have to comply with the FCRA in the rejection letter. Look for samples that have been posted here on BP if your screening service has not given you an example to follow.

 Yikes!! I have to send a rejection letter? Steve, this applicant decided to stay in their current apartment once I started digging around and asking for a letter of explanation for their eviction. Technically, I have not declined them, they withdrew themselves from consideration. Do I still need to send them a letter? Wow, I have so much to learn. 

I'm confused. You said you decided to DECLINE them. You also said they withdrew themselves from consideration. But as I read it, they decided to cancel their 30 day notice to vacate at their current place because of the extra time it would take to resolve the issue about the record of an eviction. I doesn't appear to me that they have officially withdrawn their application. Am I missing something? If they withdrew their application, send them a follow-up letter thanking them for their interest in the property at ___________ and that this letter is to acknowledge that you understand they have chosen to withdraw their application as of _________ (date).

If they did not officially withdraw their application, then @Steve Babiak is correct about the need for a rejection letter. What that entails will depend on your jurisdiction. However, before rejecting them because of an eviction that they deny has occurred, I would double check my sources. Mistakes are common on credit reports and mistaken identity also can be a factor in eviction listings. Even screening companies can make mistakes. It would be worth it to me, and fair to them, to verify the information they provided in their "Letter of Explanation".  This should be fairly easy to do by contacting the court and contacting the landlord whose name appears on the eviction record.

 Hello Marcia (my friend). I know I have probably really confused you and everyone else with this long drawn out applicant issue. Someone said that I am spending way too much time on these applications and should toss them as soon as I see the eviction if I have clear criteria set at no evictions. Maybe I should have never even bothered asking for a letter of explanation. Anyway, to clear things up for you, the couple actually refused to produce a letter of explanation as they stated that he had never been evicted. Then they listed a number of attempts that they made to try to get to the bottom of the situation. They closed with a statement saying they were going to stay in their current place due to fear of not being able to clear up issues related to eviction within 30 days. 

Based on your response, at this point I should draft a follow-up letter thanking them for their interest in the property and formally acknowledge their decision to withdraw their application. It sounds like each application I take I will need to end the process with a formal letter whether it is a rejection based on credit or just something to give clear closure to the process. Marcia as always, I appreciate and value your guidance. 

Originally posted by @Account Closed:
Originally posted by @Rhondalette W.:
Originally posted by @Steve Babiak:

You run background checks on all adults unless it is a pointless case (example of that is somebody who just moved to the  USA from another country and has SSN - so you could run a credit check with the SSN but it would show you nothing).

When you decline an applicant after having pulled a credit report, you have to comply with the FCRA in the rejection letter. Look for samples that have been posted here on BP if your screening service has not given you an example to follow.

 Yikes!! I have to send a rejection letter? Steve, this applicant decided to stay in their current apartment once I started digging around and asking for a letter of explanation for their eviction. Technically, I have not declined them, they withdrew themselves from consideration. Do I still need to send them a letter? Wow, I have so much to learn. 

 If they weren't denied based on credit, then no.

I think you should get the Nolo books for TX landlords:

http://www.nolo.com/products/every-texas-landlords...

It's cheap as an e-book, and it's on sale right now.

They sell the TX lease separately, which you can fill out online it looks like.  No wonder the e-book was so cheap, LOL. I used their CA one, which had it all included in one book:

https://www.nolo.com/products/texas-residential-le...

 Great! Thank you for links to resources. This is exactly what I need. I will purchase and read. One day I will be knowledgeable enough to help other newbies on BP. I promise I will pay it forward ; )