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All Forum Posts by: Rich Bultema

Rich Bultema has started 9 posts and replied 55 times.

Post: Whose market is tanking?

Rich BultemaPosted
  • Crown Point, IN
  • Posts 55
  • Votes 23

I'll chime in, my realtor called me this morning actually about a property I have listed.

She said she has received NO CALLS on her other properties since our state's stay at home order and that the only call on mine was a guy with a terrible low ball offer from a couple weeks ago that wanted to remind me that he was still interested.

Said she was looking into unemployment?? I Didn't think a REALTOR could even qualify.

She also mentioned that her boss (owner of the agency) hasn't really worked all week either. He is the kind of guy that normally works 25 hours a day. Seriously, on average, he has a closing everyday, commonly two, not to mention all the showings and paperwork but is now just sitting at home.

This lack of activity does not appear to have affected prices yet. Time will tell. 

Every market might respond differently.

Post: How to make an ugly property not ugly? :)

Rich BultemaPosted
  • Crown Point, IN
  • Posts 55
  • Votes 23

I didnt see anywhere if you mentioned a budget you are trying to work with. That might help suggestions.

Really, looks like you arent too bad. As others have said, landscaping number one, new paint colors and everyone has there own opinions on that, pictures of other buildings in the area might be useful for that as every neighborhood is different.

Are 3 of the 4 front lights not working or simply switched off?

Small railings? though not required might add something to put a contrast color in the mix of the chosen paint colors.

Post: Please join me in roasting crappy Appraisers!

Rich BultemaPosted
  • Crown Point, IN
  • Posts 55
  • Votes 23
Originally posted by @Account Closed:

It's a house of cards.

I was an appraiser for 14 years, specialized in mortgage work, just like nearly all professional appraisers out there.

Out of the handful of appraisers out there that don't do mortgage work, many, if not most, started in mortgage work or were taught how to do appraisals from a mentor that was versed in mortgage work as their first introduction to the appraisal of real property. 

What I'm getting at here is the influence of mortgage work on the entire Professional Appraisal Practice is much more than substantial, it has been a defining force in the industry, permeating all aspects of real property appraisal and by association, the appraisal of personal property too.

This is of course due to the need for appraisers in the first place. Without the need created out of the finance industry, very few real property appraisers would exist. I might guess the numbers would be similar to the number of Personal Property Appraisers that exist today who are by the way, governed in many cases by the same "rule book" of professional standards as Real Property Appraisers are, called the Uniform Standards of the Professional Appraisal Practice or USPAP for short. (The Antiques Road Show on PBS television is a documentary series covering Personal Property Appraisers and their Appraisal Clients in a conference hall setting).

USPAP itself is not the law. However, numerous law enforcement agencies have adopted the text into law, some federal agencies, some state agencies, and even some local agencies in a few cases. Insurance companies have adopted USPAP in some cases. The IRS has adopted USPAP in some cases. Etc etc. USPAP is a self-governed document for the appraisal practice profession, a trade organization document one might say. But there are some very sinister things everyone ought to know about the USPAP document.

USPAP was originally written in the 1980's after the Savings & Loan crisis (maybe some of you remember that event) where the fact of the matter was, banks were employing appraisers the same way they do now, to value an asset for purposes of underwriting a loan however, loan brokers and appraisers were too "cozy" with their work together, and were even employed by the same bank and working in the same office in many cases, where fraud began to find it's evil way into one bank, then another, then another.

The important part to remember here is that while each bank is it's own entity, the industry acts as a whole sometimes, similar to how the real estate market acts as a whole sometimes. For instance, when prices go up or down within a market segment, all of the individual buyers and sellers are affected. In the case of the S & L crisis of the 1980's, and in the case of today, the finance industry has been intertwined with numerous forces that shape the consumer landscape. Each and every problem discussed in this thread, save for the complaints of poor customer service from individual appraisers at the personal level, stem from this dynamic, where mortgage appraisals are but one piece of a larger formula we all know and love as the ability to obtain funds using credit or OPM (other peoples money, as is commonly phrased by many investors here on BP).

USPAP was taken over by the Appraisal Standards Board or ASB since the 1980's, under the oversight of the Appraisal Subcommittee, the entity granted the power of over-sight by the United States Congress. What that means, is USPAP started as a trade organization document born from the input of appraisers only, while today it is written and updated according to the ASB, which allows input from parties other than appraisers, for example financial institutions. The affect is that the modern USPAP end up serving multiple masters in a situation when the entire purpose of the profession was to separate the masters from each other.

Seems the smart people have found a way to keep the loan brokers and appraisers cozy after all without anyone realizing it's happening. But why? How? Is it accidental and I've let my cynical mind get the best of me? Could it be that the only thing needed is a few rewrites? Perhaps. Perhaps not. I keep going back to how smart people are smart, powerful people are powerful, and if a person was smart enough and powerful enough, they might come up with a scheme. Then, when I consider how USPAP shapes the world, I can't help but notice it makes for the most perfect scheme that could have been thought of - LOL - a defining example of a conspiracy theory right??? Well, as the old saying goes, theory is something unproven, while facts are things we know to be true. I won't be able to prove collusion, but I can prove conspiracy, even if the conspiracy did not intend to create adverse consequences.

Everyone still with me here or have I written too many sentences? The background and context to this story must be understood.

Here's the problem and here's why the government stepped in to regulate. The financial industry means housing, housing means loans, and when the whole thing collapses from bad practices people lose their houses and lose their money and in addition to that, the over-all economy suffers too. This happened on a country level in 1980 and happened on a global level in 2009. The term "housing bubble" became a household word from each of these events.

People believe real estate markets are driven buy the individual decisions made of buyers and sellers and that's true. What is also true, is that the individuals are additionally influenced by policy. Therefore, the purchase or sale decision of individuals is not as free and pure as many people perceive it to be (including misperceptions from incompetent appraisers sometimes). Indeed, policy can and does influence prices and the economy. It's a great tool for government, it's a great tool for society, it's a great tool for business, it can also be a very bad thing. The question then becomes do we accept to take the good with the bad? One interesting thing about laws, is they are much easier to create than they are to get rid of. Another interesting thing is often they are too complicated to understand what might be wrong with them. I might conclude the complicated nature is the problem, but other people would argue the complication is necessary and so it must exist.

Some of those "bad things" are the things being expressed in this thread today. Ignorance for starters. Confusion. Anger. Financial loss. I would like to take one topic, an enormous one, and explain how the regulated world of loans for housing has the adverse consequence of perpetual increases to housing prices all across the country, witnessed personally by all of us in the last 20-30 years, where few comprehensive answers to why markets continue to increase in price have been found. I will demonstrate how it is the USPAP, in combination with other forces, that accomplishes an artificial and perpetual increase in prices. I will need at least one person to like this post to do that however, as I am not going to waste my time on a crowd that isn't interested. It took a considerable amount of time to write as much as I have already. If all any of you want to do is take a moment to vent about the appraiser, even in the presence of a former appraiser, I won't say another word about it, you go ahead and enjoy yourselves. I'll throw in how annoying it is to have a stranger enter my home and take pictures of everything!!!

Be well.

My advice? Every investor must learn to be their own appraiser or they will likely fail.

Second piece of advice? Never read a mortgage appraisal unless you're an underwriter and your job requires it as due diligence. You will poison your minds and drive yourselves crazy attempting to make sense of any of it - the evidence of that statement is found right here in this thread.

 Always interested in learning more. Not afraid to hear when and how I am wrong if the my posts were some of the ones being refereed to. Doesn't do me any good to stick my fingers in my ears out of pride.

Post: Please join me in roasting crappy Appraisers!

Rich BultemaPosted
  • Crown Point, IN
  • Posts 55
  • Votes 23
Originally posted by @Rich Bultema:

My third property was listed just a few months after that. I got an offer 1k over asking in less than 5 hours with several other showings already scheduled for the weekend. My realtor hadn't even finished taking good pictures and had listed it with a couple of place holder snap shots. The house was just two blocks from my previous house and exactly the same sq ft. and the same layout on main level and upstairs, except the basement was set up differently, instead of a 4th bedroom in the basement, the utility room and lower living room were larger. This resulted in less bedrooms but had nicer neighbors so I expected the value to be largely the same. Buyer's lender appraised the house 8k below purchase agreement citing a comp that was very similar listed just a few months ago at a similar price point that had failed to sell and was pulled off the market. THAT WAS MY PREVIOUS HOUSE! It didn't "fail" to sell. I found a tenant and I was no longer interested in selling it.

 I forgot that the appraiser had listed my previous property as both a "sold" property from when a bought it and a listed/unsold property from when I rented it as two separate comps. That might be normal but I thought it was a bit goofy.

Post: Please join me in roasting crappy Appraisers!

Rich BultemaPosted
  • Crown Point, IN
  • Posts 55
  • Votes 23

Oh, I have a few of these, and I've only been at it a couple years.

My second property was a BRRR of sorts though I didnt know that had a name at the time. I bought a short sale to flip. I renovated it and put it on the market. Following a strategy that I had read about on BP and heard from my RE agent, I put it for sale and for rent. This will become important again on my third property. Once rented, I went for a HELOC.

This 1700 sq. ft. 4/2 split level was appraised as an 1100 sq. ft. 3/1. To the appraiser, none of the rooms or square footage that were below grade, counted even though the basement had full size windows and was only maybe 30-40 inches in the ground. If company policy of the appraiser or the bank dictates that basements are of lesser value, I get it, but they didn't give it lesser value, they just ignored that area completely and compared it to 1100 sq. ft. ranches on crawl spaces. Im not even sure its fair to compare 2 similar sized houses where one is on a full basement and the other on a crawl at a 1:1 ratio as the full basement, even unfinished, allows mechanicals to be in the basement freeing up more usable space in the living area. The appraisal came in about 30k below what I was shooting for which I admit is only 20k-25k below what I realistically expected. But in the end, the bank ignored that and went even lower and based the LTV on what I paid for the house before reno instead of what it was worth at time of appraisal. They offered me a line of credit that was 80% of a number that was probably 40k-50k below its value which would be a line of credit that is only about 53% of my equity, but that bit is not entirely the appraisers fault.

My third property was listed just a few months after that. I got an offer 1k over asking in less than 5 hours with several other showings already scheduled for the weekend. My realtor hadn't even finished taking good pictures and had listed it with a couple of place holder snap shots. The house was just two blocks from my previous house and exactly the same sq ft. and the same layout on main level and upstairs, except the basement was set up differently, instead of a 4th bedroom in the basement, the utility room and lower living room were larger. This resulted in less bedrooms but had nicer neighbors so I expected the value to be largely the same. Buyer's lender appraised the house 8k below purchase agreement citing a comp that was very similar listed just a few months ago at a similar price point that had failed to sell and was pulled off the market. THAT WAS MY PREVIOUS HOUSE! It didn't "fail" to sell. I found a tenant and I was no longer interested in selling. 

If I had that much interest in the house, could it be that your opinion is stupid? Its just that, an opinion. What happened to the old adage that something is worth what someone else is willing to pay for it?

Its also worth pointing out that every appraiser I have dealt with so far are from areas far away from the property in question, sometimes not even the same state. How are they supposed to know all the little details that can affect the house prices in this area.

I have more but don't need to post as one giant block of text.

HA, thought this would be a complaint that the roofers are taking too long. Around here, the roofers are struggling to pull the proper permits because most government offices are closed. Of course not all bother with permits.

As far as your roof and actual time on the job site, depends on the square footage of the roof, the amount of obstacles (plumbing vent stacks, roof AC units, etc.) and of course the size of the crew makes a huge difference. Without knowing those things we cant REALLY make a judgment call but in and of itself, it would not alarm me that it was done in a day. Remember, a person who does "fill in the blank" all day, everyday gets pretty good at it.

Have you worked with this outfit before? Got references? Would you know what you were looking at if you inspected the roof yourself?

Ultimately wouldn't worry about it unless you see something obvious. 

My credit is being affected by, among other things, "revolving credit balance too high"

it appears they like to see less than 30 percent utilization but does anyone know how that is handled with more than one credit line?

If I have two credit lines for 10k and they both have 3k balance is that more favorable than one with zero balance and one with 6k balance? 

In other words, are they looking at total balance compared to total available credit or are credit bureaus looking at each individual account.

what would bring about overturning the sale?

What would be the reasoning behind waiting?

I just bought a property at a Sheriff's sale this morning in Newton county Indiana.

This is a house that was listed for sale on the MLS for the last 6 months or so. I had made several offers including one that was initially accepted allowing me to get a home inspector in there. When the initial closing date arrived, (the 20th) the bank said it was not a high enough offer blah blah blah and would not let it go. It went to the auction block.

Fast forward to today and I was highest bidder, filled out some paperwork and was told I would receive a Sheriff's deed in a week or two but informed me that the house is already legally mine.

The question is that the house is occupied buy the original borrower as far as I know. I have met him and talked to him a couple times already when the house was being shown for sale. I have his contact number from the original listing agent.

Do I reach out to him today already with a cash for keys offer? Do I wait until I have the actual Sheriff deed? If so, is cash for keys a handshake deal, half now half later, or do I accompany it with paperwork?

This is my first auction deal, hell, only my 4th deal overall and could use some advice

Again, this is Newton county Indiana for whatever rules apply.

Thanks.