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All Forum Posts by: Sean O'Keefe

Sean O'Keefe has started 5 posts and replied 1209 times.

Post: How to meet material participation hours for out of state investors

Sean O'Keefe
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Quote from @Annie Anson:
Quote from @Sean O'Keefe:
Quote from @Annie Anson:

My husband and I are ready to invest in our first vacation property, likely in Florida. We hope to eventually have multiple properties, but want to take our time to learn and make the right decisions with our first rental. I should add it will be a short term rental property. 

What adds complexity to our plan, is that we live in Minnesota. We would like for the investment to be treated as active, of course. However, we will likely need a property manager to assist with some facets of running this rental (since we would not live locally) and would primarily market it through platforms such as Airbnb and VRBO to start, (eventually setting up a direct booking process).

Here's our question for those who have experience in STR's or who might be involved in a similar scenario: How challenging is it to meet the material participation hours needed to achieve active status? My husband is a high income W2 earner, and meeting active criteria would put some of our tax dollars back in our pocket. Is it possible to have a property manager who manages some of the property, while I manage the rest remotely? For instance, said property manager manages maintenance issues, problems that arise during bookings, basically anything that needs a physical person at the property, while I manage the rest? (i.e. initial decorating and painting, bookings, rate structures, marketing, bookkeeping housekeeping, etc)?


According to what I have read straight from the IRS website and other places, we need to either meet 500 hours, or at least 100 hours and also work more than anyone else on the property. I feel I could definitely meet both of those on my own, as my husband works full-time , and I will be the only person besides the hourly employees stated above that would be accruing hours. However, the one CPA I briefly talked to said the investment would be treated as passive. No real explanation as to why or whether there were exceptions to that. 


We are newbies, and don't want to miss out on a great investment and tax savings opportunity, but obviously want to do everything correctly in the eyes of Uncle Sam. Thank you so much in advance for your help.

If you have a property manager and live 100s of miles away, it’s unlikely that you meet the material participation requirements to qualify for tax benefits you mentioned. 
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*This post does not create a CPA-client relationship. The information contained in this post is not to be relied upon. Readers are advised to seek professional advice.


 Hi Sean, 

With all due respect, unlikely meeting the requirements is not very useful information. This leaves a lot of room for interpretation and that is exactly the issue we are having at the moment. So far it sounds like we will just need to verify via a CPA, which is fine, if that is what we need to do.  I was hoping some folks might be in a similar situation or had a similar experience and might be able to share. I do appreciate you taking the time to respond regardless.

The IRS specifically calls out owner distance from rental and having a property manager as a red flag that owner isn't materially participating. Based on what you said you meet this criteria.

Everyone's situation is different. You may still qualify. Since leveraging this tax strategy could save you significantly on taxes if you do qualify you might want to seek personalized advice, that's tough to get in a public forumto avoid missing out or getting audited and failing audit. 
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*This post does not create a CPA-client relationship. The information contained in this post is not to be relied upon. Readers are advised to seek professional advice

Post: How to meet material participation hours for out of state investors

Sean O'Keefe
Posted
  • CPA | Accepting new clients | 50 States
  • Posts 1,219
  • Votes 774
Quote from @Annie Anson:

My husband and I are ready to invest in our first vacation property, likely in Florida. We hope to eventually have multiple properties, but want to take our time to learn and make the right decisions with our first rental. I should add it will be a short term rental property. 

What adds complexity to our plan, is that we live in Minnesota. We would like for the investment to be treated as active, of course. However, we will likely need a property manager to assist with some facets of running this rental (since we would not live locally) and would primarily market it through platforms such as Airbnb and VRBO to start, (eventually setting up a direct booking process).

Here's our question for those who have experience in STR's or who might be involved in a similar scenario: How challenging is it to meet the material participation hours needed to achieve active status? My husband is a high income W2 earner, and meeting active criteria would put some of our tax dollars back in our pocket. Is it possible to have a property manager who manages some of the property, while I manage the rest remotely? For instance, said property manager manages maintenance issues, problems that arise during bookings, basically anything that needs a physical person at the property, while I manage the rest? (i.e. initial decorating and painting, bookings, rate structures, marketing, bookkeeping housekeeping, etc)?


According to what I have read straight from the IRS website and other places, we need to either meet 500 hours, or at least 100 hours and also work more than anyone else on the property. I feel I could definitely meet both of those on my own, as my husband works full-time , and I will be the only person besides the hourly employees stated above that would be accruing hours. However, the one CPA I briefly talked to said the investment would be treated as passive. No real explanation as to why or whether there were exceptions to that. 


We are newbies, and don't want to miss out on a great investment and tax savings opportunity, but obviously want to do everything correctly in the eyes of Uncle Sam. Thank you so much in advance for your help.

If you have a property manager and live 100s of miles away, it’s unlikely that you meet the material participation requirements to qualify for tax benefits you mentioned. 
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*This post does not create a CPA-client relationship. The information contained in this post is not to be relied upon. Readers are advised to seek professional advice.

Post: EXPLAINED: How to find a CPA focused on real estate

Sean O'Keefe
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It’s more complicated then I thought to find a Real Estate CPA 🙂‍↕️

Post: Tax breaks for a rental breaking even

Sean O'Keefe
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Quote from @Angelo Llamas:

I’m doing medium term rentals and I’m breaking even cash flow wise. Some months I’ve unfortunately had to pay like $150 out of pocket but I’m Planning on holding long term wise and the let the rental bare fruit later in my life because I’m only 22 and just wanted a base hit or a rental in a great neighborhood. I’m self managing myself but the tax side of it is a little confusing to me but I’m recording everything involved as far as maintenance, traveling, expenses etc. just want to know what some people would do in my situation or what to I can benefit from come tax season 

For tax purposes, the Depreciation Expense (non-cash) will likely generate losses with a cashflow breakeven property. 

Having a cashflow breakeven property with a loss for tax purposes can have some tax benefits that you should consider exploring. 
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*This post does not create a CPA-client relationship. The information contained in this post is not to be relied upon. Readers are advised to seek professional advice.

Post: Has anyone use Rental Hero for bookkeeping?

Sean O'Keefe
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Quote from @Michael Cummins:
Quote from @Sean O'Keefe:
Quote from @Michael Cummins:

This is an old thread, but curious if many of you who started RentalHero (RH) back then are still using it?  I've been using it a few years as well and mostly like it for my smaller portfolio across multiple entities and states.  

The thing I'm trying to do better with going into the new year is handling receipts.  I have never used that feature in RH, are any of you using that?  I'm thinking that I need to go to an electronic receipt tracking system, I've been doing it old school all these years - dump them on my desk, some month down the road go through them all and file them to folders for reach property, start a new folder each year.  Not bad, but a lot of work and hard to find a specific expense if I can't remember it when I'm categorizing the expense a week later in RH or something.  

Anyway, what are you guys that use RH doing for receipt tracking?  

This is an old thread and I don't have an opinion on Rent Hero (except that maybe this business name feels a little dated and pigeon holes them)

For tracking receipts 
Real Estate Investors often think they need physical receipts for every single tax deduction. That's actually a myth. To debunk it, we're going straight to the source — the IRS.

The IRS says to keep records for your business tax deductions indicating:

  • What you bought
  • When you bought it
  • How much you spent

And guess what? It doesn't mention requiring paper receipts at all. There is an exception. A receipt is required if you make an out-of-pocket cash purchase for > $75.

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*This post does not create a CPA-client relationship. The information contained in this post is not to be relied upon. Readers are advised to seek professional advice.


 Thanks for that clarification.  I've heard at least some of this before, but I'm paranoid and don't necessarily take the best notes of what I bought etc, so the physical receipt is a nice tangible record if I ever need to justify an expense.  And in most cases, reading a receipt and knowing which property/my management company it is tied to (done automatically by separate accounts linking to my software), even if I don't do a very good job documenting, I have enough to go back and justify almost any expense.  

I want simple - quick picture as soon as I leave the store, so I don't have to track expenses.  I need to experiment with the RH option... it takes a few clicks to get to the option, but supposedly it will try to reconcile the bank pulled transactions and receipts for me, so if it does do that, would be nice.

If you have a Gmail account, get GDrive app on your phone, create a folder, take a pic. Now all of your receipts are in 1 folder in a place you can share with your Real Estate CPA

Post: Has anyone use Rental Hero for bookkeeping?

Sean O'Keefe
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  • CPA | Accepting new clients | 50 States
  • Posts 1,219
  • Votes 774
Quote from @Michael Cummins:

This is an old thread, but curious if many of you who started RentalHero (RH) back then are still using it?  I've been using it a few years as well and mostly like it for my smaller portfolio across multiple entities and states.  

The thing I'm trying to do better with going into the new year is handling receipts.  I have never used that feature in RH, are any of you using that?  I'm thinking that I need to go to an electronic receipt tracking system, I've been doing it old school all these years - dump them on my desk, some month down the road go through them all and file them to folders for reach property, start a new folder each year.  Not bad, but a lot of work and hard to find a specific expense if I can't remember it when I'm categorizing the expense a week later in RH or something.  

Anyway, what are you guys that use RH doing for receipt tracking?  

This is an old thread and I don't have an opinion on Rent Hero (except that maybe this business name feels a little dated and pigeon holes them)

For tracking receipts 
Real Estate Investors often think they need physical receipts for every single tax deduction. That's actually a myth. To debunk it, we're going straight to the source — the IRS.

The IRS says to keep records for your business tax deductions indicating:

  • What you bought
  • When you bought it
  • How much you spent

And guess what? It doesn't mention requiring paper receipts at all. There is an exception. A receipt is required if you make an out-of-pocket cash purchase for > $75.

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*This post does not create a CPA-client relationship. The information contained in this post is not to be relied upon. Readers are advised to seek professional advice.

Post: Passive capital gains

Sean O'Keefe
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Quote from @Sam Dal:

Guys - I am a limited partner & invest in a multi-family building passively that was sold resulting in passive gains for 2024. There are some accumulated passive losses but not much. Can I sell some of my stock held long-term for 3 yrs at etrade to further offset the gains? Thanks

For most LPs that invest in multifamily syndicates there are passive losses that build-up (e.g. depreciation, etc.) though out the lifecycle of the syndicate investment. Once the building is sold it generates a Section 1231 Gain and that can be offset by release of the passive losses from the syndicate that have been carried forward. Get some help to avoid misreporting this in a way that could cost you significantly on taxes
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*This post does not create a CPA-client relationship. The information contained in this post is not to be relied upon. Readers are advised to seek professional advice.

Post: Tax breaks for a rental breaking even

Sean O'Keefe
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Quote from @Joshua Thompson:

Not a silly question at all but the answer depends on a few factors. If I assume this is a rental property, your income isn't over $150k, and you're not a real estate professional then the losses the rental property generates could offset other income up to a certain amount. 

This means you'll want to "write off" expenses related to a property you have in service because if those expenses don't benefit you this year they could in the future once you sell the property.

We can get into a lot more details with the "if" "and" or "buts" BUT I think this would be the "simplest" answer without diving into your specific situation here.

I hope this helps!
 

Good start, although we're missing some key details, like

  • What kinda rental is this STR or LTR?
  • Are you self-managing (material participation)
  • Is this tax breakeven or cashlfow breakeven?
  • What are your goals as an investor? Did you inherit this property and become and accidental landlord?

You should take the tax write-offs that the rental is eligible for, regardless. In fact, in most cases it’s required.

You should do something, what is the question and relies on us getting more clarity on your investment property, personal finances, etc. Don't be stingy with the details!
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This post does not create a CPA-Client relationship. The information contained in this post is not to be relied upon. Readers should seek professional advice.

Post: Fair Price for CPA to do taxes

Sean O'Keefe
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Quote from @Tom Gorrell:

We have 3 rentals in CA and one in Kentucky (total value about 2.5 M)

some W2 income

some pension income

some syndication income and some from a business (s corp) 

Based on what you say, it feels like $3k - $4k but would need more info on how frequently you meet with CPA outside of Jan - Apr when you are filing and if this includes tax strategy. 

If they're responsive and know how to save you $ on taxes sometimes the premium price pays for itself. 

Post: Purchasing a property in Pennsylvania with a New York LLC

Sean O'Keefe
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Quote from @Ed Hoffman:

Are there any issues/problems If I want to purchase a rental property in Pennsylvania with my New York York LLC? If so, are there any steps I need to take that would allow this to happen?

You may need to register as a foreign entity, file a tax return, and pay taxes in PA. This really depends on the entity, # of members, etc.